{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/iiif/z892805q03/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Black Church Tradition in the Americas: International Perspectives"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eModerated by Charles Howard Candler Professor of Pastoral Theology and Spiritual Care Emmanuel Lartey, the Oct. 21, 2020, panel featured Jehu Hanciles, D.W. and Ruth Brooks Associate Professor of World Christianity at Candler; Carol Duncan, professor of religion and culture at Wilfrid Laurier University; Musa Dube, professor of New Testament at the University of Botswana and incoming professor of New Testament at Candler; and Maureen Miller 13T, senior pastor of Oasis International Worship Center and founding dean of Yarah School of Leadership and Ministry.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eThe event was one of several during the 2020-2021 academic year that marked the 30th anniversary of Candler’s \u003ca href=\"https://candler.emory.edu/programs-resources/special-interest-area-programs/black-church-studies/index.html\"\u003eBlack Church Studies Program \u003c/a\u003e (BCS). These public events carried the theme “Celebrating the Black Church Tradition of Sankofa: Looking Back, Moving Forward,” and honored the program’s ongoing impact and legacy.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eModerated by Charles Howard Candler Professor of Pastoral Theology and Spiritual Care Emmanuel Lartey, the Oct. 21, 2020, panel featured Jehu Hanciles, D.W. and Ruth Brooks Associate Professor of World Christianity at Candler; Carol Duncan, professor of religion and culture at Wilfrid Laurier University; Musa Dube, professor of New Testament at the University of Botswana and incoming professor of New Testament at Candler; and Maureen Miller 13T, senior pastor of Oasis International Worship Center and founding dean of Yarah School of Leadership and Ministry.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eThe event was one of several during the 2020-2021 academic year that marked the 30th anniversary of Candler\u0026rsquo;s \u003ca href=\"https://candler.emory.edu/programs-resources/special-interest-area-programs/black-church-studies/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eBlack Church Studies Program\u0026nbsp;\u003c/a\u003e (BCS). These public events carried the theme \u0026ldquo;Celebrating the Black Church Tradition of Sankofa: Looking Back, Moving Forward,\u0026rdquo; and honored the program\u0026rsquo;s ongoing impact and legacy.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/105/220/small/open-uri20210208-30294-an11el?1612804597","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Panel Discussion: \"Black Church Tradition in the Americas - 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International Perspectives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=37.17,53.43"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The purpose of this panel is to recognize black churches in the Americas primarily comprised of immigrant populations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=54.42,66.51"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The panel will offer an opportunity to begin to think through the ways in which such churches and their memberships have contributed to complex organizations histories and contemporary church experiences of a North American institutional black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=67.14,92.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The panel asks and will wrestle with answering the following questions:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=93.42,100.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are you a black church with an afro diasporic membership.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=101.82,107.25"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or a denomination with African American, Afro Caribbean, and or African congregations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=108.54,117.45"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or an alliance of churches primarily comprised of first and second generation black immigrant subpopulations","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=118.56,131.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are any of these variations considered black church in the Americas, for I am Kwame Ture. I am Kamala Harris.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=132.51,150.3"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, for housekeeping, attendees are to use question and answer to submit questions during their panel discussion or during this panel discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=153.87,170.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the interest of time attendees will upvote questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=172.53,177.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nichole Phillips: Upvoting is not a function of judging questions. Rather, it serves as a function of highlighting the most popular questions in our efforts to be efficient with our time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=178.89,195.33"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Attendees will use chat or the chat box to share comments with other attendees or to signal technical help","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=197.01,210.33"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now for our expert panel of leading scholars and practitioners","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=212.46,219.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which is comprised of Dr. Carol Duncan, Professor in the Department of Religion and Culture, director of Laurier-University of Waterloo PhD program in Religious Studies, a three time national teaching fellow at Wilford Laurier University in Canada, welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=221.16,249.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr Musa Dube, A Humboldtian awardee 2011 and a biblical scholar based at the University of Botswana and the current continental coordinator of the Circle of Concerned African Women Theologians","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=251.4,273.21"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"19 2024 as well. We are excited that she is an incoming New Testament professor at the Candler School of Theology Emory University. Welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=274.68,290.34"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. Jehu Hanciles, the DW and Ruth Brooks, Associate Professor of World Christianity at the Candler School of Theology Emory University.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=292.17,309.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Welcome Dr. Maureen Miller, 2013 graduate of the Candler School of Theology and a doctoral studies graduate of the University of Georgia in Educational Leadership Studies","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=311.46,324.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nichole Phillips: She is the senior pastor of Oasis International Worship Center and founding Dean of Yarra School of Leadership and Ministry, welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=325.56,346.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And our moderator who rounds off this distinguished group of experts and panelists, Dr. Emmanuel Lartey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=348.54,359.7"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is the Charles Howard Candler Professor of Pastoral Theology and Spiritual Care at Candler School of Theology Emory University. Welcome. And now I turn over all responsibilities to Dr Lartey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=360.9,388.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you very much and welcome distinguished panelists welcome from across the world, many thanks for accepting this invitation to serve on this panel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=392.28,406.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Friends, the term Black Church is perhaps unique. It's certainly particular to the Americas in historic, ecclesial, and theological terms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=408.93,422.49"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Together this panel of international experts are being invited to respond to this phenomenon black church from various standpoints, our various endpoints and our various viewpoints.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=423.93,439.41"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We shall be responding in three rounds. In the first round, we will be defining.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=440.91,448.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In a second, we'll focus on experiential and observational issues. And then in the third and final round we shall address projections into the future based on current trajectories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=451.62,466.95"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so why don't we get started in this first round. We are asking, what is your notion of the term black church. How do you define it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=468.3,481.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is the black in black church and what is church in the black church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=482.52,492.33"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me first address, Dr. Carol Duncan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=494.61,497.49"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. Duncan with your location as a Canadian with African, Caribbean roots and as a sociologist of religion and cultural critic: How do you define black church? What is your perspective, what is your notion of black church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=498.96,517.71"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carol Duncan: Thank you, Dr Lartey, and good morning panelists, good morning to the participants and audience out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=519.15,526.89"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I use the term and I understand the term black church as a kind of sociological short form to refer to a variety of experiences, interpretations, as well as histories","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=527.7,544.53"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"related to how enslaved Africans in the west through the transatlantic slave trade and other crossings of empire,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=545.16,554.49"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Encountered Christianity and reinterpreted it to understand their experiences, historically, but also to understand prophetically where they were going. So for me, black church is a very elastic and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=554.94,572.91"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Open understanding of these multiple experiences. I do not understand black church to be a monolith referring only to a particular geographical or historical experience here from my southern Ontario, Great Lakes region, Harriet Tubman's country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=573.66,598.71"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She, you know, ended up in St. Catherine's, Ontario here in this region, especially the cross border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=600.24,609.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"United States and Canadian experiences have shaped black church. We've also been shaped by multiple migrations of people from the Caribbean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=610.05,620.85"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From various African countries from Latin America and Europe in terms of post-Second World War migration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=621.45,629.22"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me give an example of what I mean by these multiple crossings and intersections. There is the First Baptist Church of Toronto.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=629.64,639.27"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And here's an image of it. It was founded in 1826 by 12 people who fled enslavement in the southern United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=639.9,648.3"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To Toronto through the Underground Railroad that system of safe houses, routes overland and maritime, that brought people to freedom in northern states from the southern US","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=649.17,664.38"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And across the border into Canada. So First Baptist Church has founded by these 12 people, led by Elder Christian, it is still going today, almost 200 years later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=665.37,676.95"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The churches building by the middle of the 19th century was actually funded with monies raised in Jamaica by Elder Christian. So this is just one example in terms of the ways in which cross cutting and migrations","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=677.31,692.55"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as well as interactions produced in this instance, the black church of First Baptist Church in Toronto was open to white and black parishioners during its time and continues to be today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=693.27,711.54"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd also like to point to the fact that in the Canadian context, we have not only the story of Harriet, but people like Mary Branton Tulle., born in 1860 in the Chatham area","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=713.31,727.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"southwestern Ontario down the road from me. Here she is in a photograph from the 1890s, taken in Toronto, in which she's wearing a banner that says Africa for Christ. 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Reverend Jenny Johnson was ordained in 1909 in the Baptist Church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=783.75,795.06"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She created a mission in Flint, Michigan in the 1920s and ministered there through the Great Depression and her remarkable life of almost a century.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=795.72,806.85"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Encompasses these great changes, both in the US and in Canada and also in transnational networks. So I'd like to, to stop there. But thank you so much and look forward to conversation with others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=807.12,823.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you so very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=825.51,827.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And now, Dr. Maureen Miller. From your location as a founding and senior pastor of a church right here in Atlanta and as an educationist with a PhD.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=828.84,840.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as founder, director of a school of learning Era School of Leadership and ministry. How do you define black church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=845.97,856.23"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maureen Miller: Thank you, everyone. And thank you for joining this conversation. I'm delighted to be a part of this and I say good morning to my fellow panelists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=867.93,876.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The question that you asked me invites me to examine the term black church from three perspectives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=877.26,884.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a practitioner in my role as the founding and senior pastor of the black church, from my scholarly work in adult education and black spirituality, and also as a founding dean of a school of leadership and ministry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=884.76,898.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Historically, the black church has been associated with the seven historic black denominations","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=899.1,905.73"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As time has progressed, the black church today is more than a denomination or a particular or is it particular to African Americans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=908.34,917.55"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The term black church in America refers to any demographic from the African diaspora and have shared values of African traditions, past and present.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=917.85,927.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It shares the experiences of suffering and oppression rooted in the slave trade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=928.05,934.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The term church from my perspective is relevant, because it's the epicenter of a community, the epicenter of this community is the belief in God and and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=934.56,944.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And worship of God so black church is not monolithic they are divergences in theology and practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=944.79,951.99"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As the church. The church pastor is an interdenominational church with congregants from various denominational backgrounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=952.38,960.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The demographic is 40% African American and 60% Afro Caribbean what unites us all, the common thread is that God is a life source","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=960.45,969.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and it also the deep roots of the black culture that knits us together as one. The binding threads transcend the divide of immigrant versus African American, African-Caribbean or even new ones to buy SEO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=970.89,988.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And search. Also, the term black church has its roots in African American history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=989.7,995.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The constituents of the black church has evolved and began to evolve. 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All nine participants described experiencing an initial disorienting dilemma as their home theology and previously unquestioned assumptions were challenge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1103.16,1119.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All nine participants reported experiencing new liberty to search and analyze the scriptures on their own. 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The second was the power and the authority and the honor to the preachers voice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1161.24,1171.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The second one, the third was a highest standard of piety rooted in black Pentecostalism and the fourth was high-spirited worship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1171.86,1183.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As something that was not negotiable and would not be touched. 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It's a way of seeing life is a way, it's a way of seeing and being in the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1200.69,1214.73"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so we see black church transcends the denomination or even a single afro-diasporic group and so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1215.18,1224.51"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As I as I conclude the section in answer to your question. I would say that the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1225.08,1231.59"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is is fluid is evolving and it will always reflect the community that it represents","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1232.1,1239.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It has deep roots deep cultural roots and values that bring diverse diverse African diasporic peoples in community is shared cultural context, it's certainly not a building, but it's a community with a language and personality of itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1239.42,1257.75"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you so much. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1260.75,1262.94"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now we go all the way to Botswana in South Central Africa and Musa Dube from your location in Botswana as a biblical scholar with wide experience of teaching and researching in the United States,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1265.58,1285.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as well as internationally, what does black church mean to you? How do you characterize black church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1285.5,1293.06"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You need to unmute","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1303.41,1304.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Musa Dube: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1309.11,1310.01"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For your introduction as to say I am not a scholar of physiology. So I will my comments will be primarily from just my experience and mostly my observation event. What who has studied it is religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1312.23,1328.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for me, the black church defines a central institution for African Americans to start with, is a very central institution. That represents they are suffering their hopes and their dreams.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1329.51,1355.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I think of the black church. I think of those who have taken the voyage in those who have been unsettled and have moved into the diaspora.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1355.04,1366.05"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when I think of of the black church. 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For me the black church is the voice of those who sang the spirituals sing Kumbaya my lord kumbaya, my lord. Come here, and behold this situation that I'm in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1519.86,1537.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For me, the black church is the spiritual singing swing low sweet chariot coming for to carry me home carry me home. The home that I'm seeking for the home of justice. 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To be a black church means to be a prophetic church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1588.68,1597.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A gathering of those who believe in Christ and that our salvation. Should, save us not only spiritually, but also materially","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1600.65,1611.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Our salvation must save us from being discriminated on the basis of race, our salvation should save us from poverty, our salvation would save us from discriminate on what ever social category, our salvation must be holistic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1612.65,1628.67"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So for me the black church as the woman who lives in Africa. For me, the black church is the lights on a mountain, is the lights on a table.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1629.6,1642.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Showing us on what it means to be a Christian, namely that my salvation. My proclamation of that identity of the good news.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1643.43,1654.86"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"should save me from all other forms of oppression. So it is an articulation of salvation and engagement and waiting out of salvation is the way of finding","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1655.49,1668.81"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A space to sing your song, even when you're in Babylon. I think that's how I would say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1669.14,1675.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is my perception and my, my understanding, you know, of the black church standing where I am, you know, it is a lamp on a mountain, you know, shining the light of what it means to be a Christian church. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1676.13,1695.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you so very much. Thank you. To Dr. Hanciles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1696.44,1702.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From your location as a historian, as a scholar of world Christianity and as an African immigrants in the United States African immigrant with international research expertise, particularly in migration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=0.0,0.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is your view? How do you conceptualize African American Christianity like church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1721.97,1727.91"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jehu J. Hanciles: Thank you Dr. Lartey. Greetings everyone, it's quite a privilege to be part part of this august panel and join this conversation. The advantage of coming last is I can tell what I have to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1730.91,1746.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, previous comments touched on a number of things that I would have that would also have fun to be clear from an African perspective black","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1747.26,1758.54"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a concept or descriptive category, mainly applies to Africans in the Diaspora","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1759.29,1765.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Specifically the descendants of the millions of African slaves transplanted from Africa to the Americas. And by the way, less than 5% of them ended up in the in the US. So that's what black represents, in terms of church. I would say church here embodies both institution and movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1766.37,1787.07"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So as the only institution that Africans in America had full control of the black church embodied their pain, their struggles, spirituality gifts, vision, ideals, and vast potential","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1788.81,1809.3"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to effect change both in their communities and beyond. So the \"and beyond\" brings me to movement because in the US, the black church emerged as a symbol","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1810.38,1822.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of protest against racial domination and a foundation of African aspirations and heritage, but that the movement is crucial because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1822.59,1835.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"almost from the very beginning, the black church became a trans Atlantic movement. And this is where I would want to focus the rest of my my comments because, you know, it also allows me to get something off my chest, to be honest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1836.42,1851.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is it is a source of considerable frustration for me that the history of Christianity that most Africans and African Americans are familiar with typically makes no reference to the major role that the black church played in the establishment of modern African Christianity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1852.83,1870.89"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, contrary to popular belief, the establishment of the first church in modern Africa with a continuous existence to the present had nothing to do with white missionaries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1871.94,1885.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It dates to the arrival of 1,100 black Christians in my country, Sierra Leone in 1792.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1886.01,1895.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now this was not simply a collection of individuals of families. It was a collection of different congregations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1896.06,1905.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Each with their own pastor. In other ones, the black church was transplanted wholesale into the African continent as a trans Atlantic movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1906.44,1919.61"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And even at that early stages all the panelists will acknowledge it was an entity comprising diverse traditions and voices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1919.97,1929.21"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The evangelistic efforts of these black congregations 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the oldest Baptist Church on the African continent was founded by a black Baptist pastor","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1952.04,1960.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who purchased his own freedom and incidentally also baptize the first African convert in Liberia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=1961.07,1969.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first black officially sent out as a missionary from the US was Daniel Coker a founding member of the AME 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After seeing closing, so much so that the British colonial authorities eventually took steps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2027.49,2035.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To curb the AME church and traveling bands were placed on black Africans, because the activities were viewed as seditious so let the record show that AME church cause trouble, not only in the US, but in other parts of the world, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2036.04,2053.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In any case, it was not simply one way the exchange and interaction between black Christians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2054.16,2061.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Representative of the black church and African Christians would enlarge the imagination on both sides would reinforce a sense of shared identity and heritage and may powerful seeds unleash powerful forces of change and transformation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2063.04,2082.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2084.19,2084.7"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Well, thank you so very much that historical relationship. In a reverse kind of way is truly not appreciated or known at all in, in, in many in many African as well as international context. So thank you very much for helping set that record straight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2087.79,2113.47"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We are going to build on what we have been sharing and now by asking questions in this second round on our experience of or our observations of the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2114.73,2134.05"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, these questions are revolving around how you have experienced or interacted with black church. What are your observations, your research, your participation in the life of the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2135.22,2149.89"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Going to begin again with Dr. Carol Duncan, on the basis of your research your extensive research on the black church in Canada, including, particularly the spiritual Baptists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2151.15,2164.86"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Share some observations and some further reflections on the life of the black church with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2167.32,2175.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carol Duncan: Thank you so much, Dr. Lartey and and to my fellow panelists. I've really enjoyed hearing your responses so far there's so many interconnections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2177.94,2188.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From a previous speaker, the ships left Halifax harbor and and landed in what is now free town Liberia in 1792 but their port, their point of departure was the Canadian shores of the Atlantic and the folks on those boats. The 3000 people or so, who ended up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2188.62,2209.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As founders, there were folks who had been enslaved in the Canadian context in the US and were Black Loyalists to the British Crown, so it is complex and very much interactive, but let me get to this question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2210.7,2226.33"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carol Duncan: Here that is seeking further clarification and sharing about that. It's the experience of black church and Canadian context and specific to my research on the spiritual Baptists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2228.19,2242.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carol Duncan: I want to ground that with just a bit of my own location.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2243.22,2250.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I'm a member of what some refer to as the largest invisible black church globally. And that's the the Anglican Church. There are more Anglicans globally who are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2251.32,2261.01"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"non-white peoples and specifically peoples of African descent because of British Empire and the spread of the Anglican Church as a church of empire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2261.61,2273.61"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are more people of color who are Africans globally today in the 21st century than in white settler colonies of British empire like New Zealand, Australia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2274.12,2283.66"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"South Africa as a former colony and Canada and the US as well here it is a case, I suppose, of the Empire Strikes Back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2284.77,2294.79"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So both my maternal and paternal familial lines are connected with the Anglican Church over the last couple of hundred years, and also the Roman Catholic Church as well has played an important role.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2296.2,2309.94"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So my identity has been formed by these experiences by the Church of empire, the Anglican Church and to going back historically the Roman Catholic Church, and I mentioned this to say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2310.75,2324.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that when we're looking at the emergence of black churches like the spiritual Baptist Church that I include","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2325.93,2331.75"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Within what I consider to be a sociological short form where these many experiences of Africans encounter with Christianity that we need to look at how people interpret","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2332.32,2343.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What may have been introduced in a missionary context: London Missionary Society, Society for the Propagation of the Faith by the Anglican Church, the spiritual Baptists. By the turn of the last century.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2343.72,2357.07"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And here we're looking at descriptions by people who are enemies of the church, so to speak, in terms of colonial ordinances, we can see that there is something called the spiritual Baptists, or the shouters so my work looked at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2357.49,2371.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what happens to an African, Caribbean church that then migrates through","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2373.09,2377.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the activities of people coming from a region in the post-Second World War context to Canada, and this migration has also happened in the United States and also to the UK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2378.82,2394.09"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this is a church created by enslaved people and their descendants primarily in the Caribbean islands of St. Vincent and the Grenadines and Trinidad, we can see influences in terms of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2394.54,2406.81"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"theological formation and liturgy from Methodists from Anglicans from Roman Catholic churches, but it's the spiritual aspects, the people's own","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2407.8,2419.05"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"way of understanding their interpretation of Christianity that also points to the significance and importance of African traditional religion that's just another short form, in particular the Orisha religion complex and worldview here. So my experiences here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2420.88,2439.45"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's the mobility of the sacred. The idea that the sacred is embodied in the people and in the community and is tremendously pragmatic and adaptive depending on the circumstances. 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Also the pragmatism of people having to be inventive and to work with what is available and that is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2501.85,2517.51"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Evident in terms of everything from ritual dress to the creation of altars and all of that shining through still is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2518.11,2529.51"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"An interpretation of Christianity as prophetic, as liberatory, and as something that the people themselves have the right to engage with. And this is all through most of the 20th century, most of the first half of the 20th century.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2530.41,2549.34"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Persecution and actually being considered in the Caribbean context, illegal to be practiced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2550.69,2560.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I'm gonna stop there and wait to hear what my fellow panelists have to say thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2561.91,2565.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you so much. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2566.77,2568.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What a rich experience and I do encourage attendees to go to the Q \u0026 A and put questions or vote up questions there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2569.89,2584.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To Dr. Maureen Miller: You founded Oasis church. You are deeply embedded in church life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2585.94,2600.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wonder if you would share with us some of the experiences of life in the black church in practical, everyday terms. What has it been like to found and to lead a black church congregation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2601.66,2619.51"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maureen Miller: Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Lartey. And certainly I am enjoying the rich conversation the sharing from other panelists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2621.64,2628.93"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In discussing the everyday life in the Black church, and particularly in my own firsthand experience as a woman,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2629.74,2638.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a black woman and the founder and the senior pastor who dared to challenge religious glass ceiling by planting and assuming pastorship of a church,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2638.95,2647.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there's just so many angles from which I could discuss it and certainly for several hours. But what comes readily to mind to me is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2648.31,2659.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What I found surprising, maybe because of my own naiveté, was the sexism that is so deep rooted as a malady in the black church that one of the so called religious constructs in the Black church","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2660.52,2675.61"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is the imposition of a subservient role for women. So although women have been at the core of the Black church men dominate in the senior leadership roles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2675.7,2685.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there's a perpetuation of oppression and discrimination and inequality that is accepted as normative in the black leadership in many cases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2686.26,2695.77"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"African American males dominate leadership in the black church and often frown upon women who are senior pastors. 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She must be quiet.\" And they're quick to quote that, however Ephesians 5:25 instructing the men to give his life for his wife is somehow missing from the annals of their biblical reading.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2720.79,2736.33"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Up on the same people your colleagues and lead do not recognize your call to lead them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2738.79,2745.09"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a female. Often male congregants refer to you as their sister or remind you that God sent them to help you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2745.69,2753.55"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And those are the ways in which they come to terms with having a woman as a leader. 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So the educationist has a daunting task work to liberate a people who may not even recognize that they're bound or even wants to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2951.22,2964.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and so the daunting task of a pastoral educationist is that you're constantly moving towards trying to face change the mindsets that have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2966.61,2977.35"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"generationally kept them in mental slavery or mental slavery is, you know, Luke 4:18 becomes the anthem of the for myself as a black pastor and sometimes is a prayer of hope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2977.83,2991.21"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he has anointed me to bring good news report and he has sent me to proclaim release to the captain's recovery of sight to the blind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=2991.42,3000.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And let the oppressed go free. That's the mantra of the pastor's day to day life in a black church and I'll conclude with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3001.08,3009.51"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for really lifting up the the rule and the function of pastoring, especially women in pastoral leadership.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3011.94,3027.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we I turned to Dr. Dube again and interesting that Dr. Miller ended from Luke chapter four. And I think that must have made you very excited. But for many years you as an African immigrant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3029.67,3048.42"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Studied and taught New Testament here in the United States, and you have navigated church life, especially black church life here in the Americas. Would you like to share some experiences?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3049.05,3063.18"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Musa Dube: Yes, thank you so much for the invitation. Um, I lived the longest in Nashville, Tennessee. Where I was a student in Vanderbilt studying the Bible as you said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3065.88,3080.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In Vanderbilt studying the Bible as you said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3077.82,3084.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Upon arrival in 1992, I, I realized that if  I were to describe in one sentence upon arrival and the impression I got about the life of the church and an African Americans of black people was that in one sentence. The struggle continues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3082.37,3106.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think I remember as I arrived on campus and began to study on campus and realize that almost every","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3108.99,3117.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Manual worker were those who are taking care of the gardens, those who were sweeping our classes, those were cooking for us just almost everyone who has doing that on the campus of Vanderbilt University was black.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3119.79,3134.73"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I, as a black person arriving from Africa, I was actually shocked by that context.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3136.11,3145.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shocked to silence for what shocked me is to realize that for all the struggles for liberation that I have from a distance, have always been observing and coming in. 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Rather, you know, more like other black people that I see a sweeping outside, cooking our food, and cleaning our classes that the statement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3183.03,3197.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know the discussion in the air was that as a black person I belong out not, you know, but I think the shock for me was how we are still here, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3198.48,3212.01"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The struggle for liberation from oppression based on race was still so much intense, it was still, you know, the black people were still on the margins, still on the margins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3213.84,3227.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I remember that being a shock that for a while in the classroom. 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You know, you know, I think that was my first cultural shock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3228.18,3240.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, to realize that you know there's been such a struggle for liberation, you know, from those was saying that the speech was from, you know, from from those who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3241.11,3253.53"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Matched it during the civil rights movement, and here I was, it was in the 90s and I realized that you know the struggle still continues. 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It is still have lessons to learn, you know about, you know, constructing it just because of liberation, that is more inclusive one that embraces you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3414.42,3425.85"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know the struggle against gender oppression within its own walls and community. 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And then we grew up to break up into groups. Now we have you know a whole group on African because immunity X African American. But we started as one group. 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You know, there's that beautiful welcome that you get, which says the other sister from the continent, you have this smiley I welcome to you have people who really appreciate you. But there's this also love tension.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3629.79,3649.77"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That I found so and i don't know Latter and Addison speak to it that in as much as we become closer to each other. 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They've been wonderful. You know when when that ends you know as that as a stranger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3677.7,3693.15"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I keep going and we experience this communal spiritual you know intercourse, you know, in our worship of God. 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You know, those who have taken the wedge in and those of us who are in the continent, I feel like there's a need for, you know, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3721.62,3733.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conversation, open conversation amongst us in a dialogue amongst us, healing amongst us, and building bridges amongst us, so the immigrants and, you know, the people who are coming on this and immigrants and they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3734.46,3753.9"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all the diaspora, you know, there's a lot of healing that is needed within the black church, I'll say thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3754.77,3762.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you. Thank you so much for naming that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3763.53,3766.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. Hansen calls I presume that you will probably take up this this this question especially out of your experience of the movement of people and and an eye out on how we have participated in the life of the changes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3768.6,3789.93"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jehu J. Hanciles: Yes, thank you. You set it up very nicely for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3791.97,3796.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an issue that comes out of decades of research. And also, of course, living as an immigrant in the US. So to start with, if we include","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3797.28,3809.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"immigrants from the Caribbean and other parts of the world. There are over 4 million black immigrants living in the in the US today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3810.3,3817.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Close to 10% of the entire black population and the Census Bureau projects that is it my by 26 years arise to close to 17% and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3818.1,3829.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was immigrant blacks will be roughly 17% of the black population. So that's just the background nature turn my attention to the African experience most specifically","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3830.07,3841.53"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By 2000 more Africans were being admitted into the US annually on average than at any other time in American history,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3842.82,3850.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"including during the period of slavery. So the best data we have suggested by 2019 they were just over 2 million Sub Saharan African immigrants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3851.4,3860.94"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the US, and more than half come from just for countries, Nigeria, if you're pure Ghana and Kenya, the majority or some 70% are Christian, now this is relevant, because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3861.45,3875.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"While many African immigrants have joined American or homegrown churches and denominations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3876.81,3884.46"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They have also established their own churches and congregations at a rapid rate and the majority of these independent costs Pentecostal charismatic tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3885.24,3894.78"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So yeah, we'll come to the point that Dr. Raised from the perspective of immigration or form for immigrants, the issue of African participation in the black church is actually somewhat controversial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=0.0,0.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After African immigrants and African Americans have a lot in common. Apart from the obvious issue of stroke dealing with structural racism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3910.38,3919.23"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They share a deep religiosity and spirituality cultural values, attitudes of family life, a strong sense of community cognisance of suffering and elevated view of religious leaders, something that's been mentioned before, and they certainly get each other's jokes, shall we say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3919.83,3936.75"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yet the relationship between these two groups in this country is characterized, to a large extent by alienation and this engagement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3938.85,3948.15"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's very little interaction or overlap between African Christian immigrants and black churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3949.02,3957.69"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I'm focusing on the church here because I think that's more relevant to our to our discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3958.41,3964.53"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Few African immigrants participate in black denominations or attend historic black churches. Those who do tend to join independent ministries, like Dr. Miller's or mega churches and that involvement, even then it's not always sustained to be on a few years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=3965.04,3983.25"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"African Americans do attend some African immigrant churches by not in significant numbers. 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But even then, some of the the tensions and misunderstandings persist in part because even for second generation Africans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4061.64,4074.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Immigration looms large in their experiences in the way they encounter American society and in the challenges they navigate and. And so much so that so I'm still wrestle with questions about identity I the African American, or they American Africans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4076.61,4097.07"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So now just because there are many reasons for this dissonance between the two groups, I think, to ought to be mentioned briefly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4098.63,4106.82"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first is this their considerable and misconceptions about each other's experiences and histories","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4108.05,4118.01"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That can undermine solidarity around social and other critical issues. That's the first, the second has to do with disparate attitudes to immigration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4118.4,4128.9"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"African Americans generally ambivalent about immigration and certainly do not regarded as a as a huge priority, you know, among the many things they confront on a on a daily","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4129.65,4141.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Basis, but for African immigrants both was second generation immigration is of central importance and major concern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4142.16,4153.74"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So for instance, I would have, you know, that black immigrants constitute only about 7% of the fine bond population in the US, but they make are more than 20% of nonsense it citizens facing deportation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4154.73,4167.54"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On on on criminal grants. That's just a way to fly how important the immigrant experience and me again issues. And you can only imagine how what this has been like in the in the past for four years. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4168.02,4182.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What would happen, moving forward, calls for as a doctor suggested more meaningful conversations but it remains quite tricky. It meant, it's going to be complex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4183.56,4193.1"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And and and difficult Africans remain part of transnational networks and Joe strong kingship ties with the homeland share buttons and expectations about support and participation in Africa in ways that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4193.46,4208.73"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Often invisible to those interact with on a regular basis, but this is one question and issue that is going to marriage increasing attention moving forward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4209.42,4219.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. We have already began to move in the direction of the final round of our conversations and and then engagement with the questions that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4222.11,4237.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thick and fast in the Q and A section. So our final round of conversations projects into the future based on our observations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4239.3,4253.1"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of the trajectories of the black church what our expectations, what our hopes, what are our fears for the black church in the future, and we will begin again with Dr. Carol Duncan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4253.46,4266.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carol Duncan: So, our panel has a theme of sankofa to go back and take it forward and encompassed within that as an understanding of the riches of the past.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4269.27,4284.78"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also that a historical perspective, which is linear does not necessarily fit or allow us to imagine possibilities. So I'm going to go back again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4286.19,4299.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To where I started and pick up on some points and think about the present moment. I'm a future from there. So this is an image of Harriet Tubman","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4300.56,4311.63"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, Harriet slammed in southern Ontario. The geographical region dominated by the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence River leading out to the Atlantic Ocean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4313.04,4323.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're kind of in the center sort of North center of the continent of North America, but these waterways connect us into the US and out into the Atlantic world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4324.29,4337.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harriet lived across the street from her church. The Bethel be me church that you can see there on the bottom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4338.39,4345.05"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Photograph and it's still standing, although there were some struggles in terms of the maintenance of this historic building","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4345.74,4353.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I use these photographs, because one of my fears that I can mention now is the eraser of the historical presence of connections across the border between what's now Canada and the US.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4354.14,4368.39"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which from an indigenous perspective in Canada, the whole landmass of North America is called Turtle Island where I am here in Southern Ontario is the unseeded territory of the hotel has shown a Amish snobby and neutral peoples and so remembering that this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4369.32,4388.91"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landscape into which people of African descent were transported is connected with empire, and that that empire is connected also","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4391.04,4400.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With dispossession of land. And so our kind of troubled relationship, I think is right here with us still today. So that's one point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4401.15,4410.18"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the struggles for nation identity and community in the face of deep racialized divisions which characterized","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4410.54,4419.06"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"10 mins life experience. Her long life or experience from around 1822 to 1913 almost a century.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4419.66,4427.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That when she got on the other side of the border. 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Canada was not the land of milk and honey Canaan's land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4439.16,4450.71"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For meals spiritual had its own struggles of race racism and segregation Canaan's land had its own over 200 year history","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4451.34,4460.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of enslavement of Africans dating from 1628 Olivier illusion. That's baptismal name in of what is now the province of Quebec from Madagascar. We don't know his original birth name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4460.7,4474.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She came to a country that had in fact many of the same issues as what she encountered in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4475.34,4486.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the south and certainly continue today. So, but, Canada, US border lauded for being the longest unguarded border in the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4487.91,4500.15"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Across which Harriet flood today is actually closed because of a pandemic. It was supposed to open again today, but our globalized pandemic in which we're all living in right now. This is the seventh month of closure with coven. 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These are strikingly similar issues that confronted black Canadian church women like Branton","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4583.61,4593.18"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who was barred actually from entering South Africa and 1920 as a black missionary. 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This is a time of great turmoil and social change and upheaval, just as it was in Harriet's day","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4602.63,4616.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are we up for the task we need to be our survival depends on it as people individually as church and larger communities and as a planet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4617.48,4630.35"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In answering that question of what lessons can we draw from the past to go back and take it forward, this is these are three that I want to highlight in closing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4631.31,4641.18"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The thing ancestors like Harriet like Mary Branton like the Reverend Jenny Johnson that they forge ties and they lived into black identities that spanned international borders.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4642.77,4655.73"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Second, they sought out education in new learnings and trainings to take on tasks to aid in the survival, not only their own individual familial context, but also their communities at large.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4658.34,4674.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So when we look at the history of medical and nursing training, for instance, I like to, to look at it within that larger context of Community survival third","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4675.35,4685.7"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Most of all, I'm inspired by the ancestors tremendous courage and loving kindness in the face of great adversity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4686.78,4696.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carol Duncan: black churches will continue to thrive and emerge and evolve wherever by people and communities, make their lives and live out their prophecy of liberation. However, they understand that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4697.85,4715.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The way I see it, is that the tension between the way things are now. And the way we have always done things is a challenging one and I see that as one of the major kinds of tensions who's in and who's out,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4717.05,4730.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whose identity is most right on and woken whose is not or left out. Um, it's a dynamic tension, though. And I think that it is one that if we address it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4731.0,4744.38"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In full some creative ways as we have in the past that this can really yield, I think, great, great outcomes. So I'll leave it there. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4746.24,4758.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you so much. Thank you. Go to Mila, what are your hopes and expectations of oasis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4759.17,4767.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maureen Miller: Thank Thank you Dr Lottie as as a pastor I am concerned for the future of not only oasis with the black church in America. And of course, always. This is one of those. And there are a couple","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4770.09,4784.31"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Things that are occurring that kind of speak to that identity crisis that I believe that the church is experiencing one of those is there's an exodus of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4786.23,4797.69"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"millennials and from from the churches growing number who have just lost interest in church. 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It's not truly multi racial","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4852.59,4863.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so that leads me to wonder if that's going to be the trajectory of the black church or the movement of the black community, where does that leave the future of a historical black church does it have have have a future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4863.66,4881.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My third concern is that in terms of identity, I think that the black church must begin to reconsider how is going to identify with the heightened awareness of suffering and oppression and racism that we are struggling with that we can to be a silent voice in that in that situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4882.68,4907.49"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so the issue is, is the church going to be silent or are we going to leave it up to the rappers and the politicians to point the way for the black community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4909.44,4920.09"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so my hope is that the black church will rethink its identity and become a voice again in the nation to advocate for social justice and racial equality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4920.6,4933.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The black church seems to be fixated on to sins and we we all know what they are and to the neglect of equally weighty issues like xenophobia,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4933.98,4948.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"systemic racism and brutal murders of black lives. 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And so, and I'm also concerned for middle class blacks who seem to think that their social status somehow had has removed them","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4965.93,4978.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from that the dangers of what is happening in our society of the Malaysian or society. So I asked the question, and that's a question for me as a pastor. Why do I say to the angry black youth who is trying to come to terms with his own blackness in a white society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=4981.29,5001.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think of fourth century depictions of Jesus as a white man with us on a throne with a robe and looking like and Roman Emperor doesn't give a black person much to connect with because that association.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5003.16,5020.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is is a is a reminder of white oppression. So while our blacks are turning to other religions like the Hebrew Israelite religion to find their identity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5021.13,5033.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In in in something that pertains to God. God is not the issue. It's, it's, it's the part of it is, what is it, how is the church presenting Christ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5034.33,5043.54"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so the church has to come to terms with that. And if we're talking about San culpa, we must look back to how the black church started and and what was its role in that, in the when we think of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5043.87,5057.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Civil Rights era that the churches were well established social and political power basis for black America. So I'm not advocating that we burn down buildings or anything of that sort. 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If it doesn't come from the church is going to come from a place that may be to the detriment of the church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5092.47,5108.94"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So when I think of the future of the black church, my hope and expectation is that we will","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5109.27,5115.18"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"move beyond distributing food and clothes, which are important things, but we must now begin to point the way politically for righteousness and justice and realize that there's more more sense than the card in order to that the black church focuses on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5115.81,5132.91"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a teacher, I hope, besides this cathartic relief that we give them into starting sermons that we truly begin to empower people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5134.05,5142.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Take them back to the word instead of this watered down thing that we do to cater to their emotions and that we must now begin to, I believe that the black church is going to have to turn to having more its own blacks theological schools as we have done to train off people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5142.78,5164.77"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To to live empowered lives and to be educated and not to be swayed by every wind of doctrine. And so I'll close that for thing that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5165.79,5174.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If the black church doesn't find its identity in this season, which I believe that it will then the black community may seek help in arms outside of our Christian faith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5175.3,5189.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5191.32,5193.45"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr Dube, your observations or your hopes, your expectations for the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5195.28,5202.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Musa Dube: I, yeah, I want to start off by underlining that, as I said, for me, the black church is a lamp on the mountain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5207.73,5216.94"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's something that they do, which they have done better than most of us in the sense that as a church they have become a very, very prophetic voice, especially where race is consent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5217.81,5233.74"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They address the issue of racism, much more vocally than we would do here in the African continent. I'm not saying we don't do it, we do it, but I think they do it more intensely, you know, and as they did we realize how much the problem of racism pisses you know we realize just how much","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5234.52,5261.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"structural racism persists, we realize that you know we are far from, you know, getting our foot liberation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5262.63,5273.01"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this struggle continues, you know, the model of the black church in the S one that is engaging the world you know and exposing the the evil of racism is a very, very important one, one that we all need to learn, you know. 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So, so the diaspora is going to be our identity and he had the African American church, the black church has already for centuries occupying the space of the desk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5384.04,5400.93"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Has you know some heart, as I said, Let how to sing that song.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5402.85,5407.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By the reverse of baby law. So I believe that that they remain so critically important, and we have so much to learn from them. This is my hope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5408.64,5419.35"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, we have so much to learn from them. They have so much to give to us into the well debate that identity of the diaspora. 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I think we, we, we have a lot to learn. So the biggest question we are asking now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5447.01,5460.09"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In this new political context of neoliberalism is how it does racism piste","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5461.11,5467.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not just amongst you know African Americans, but in the global wealth economics, you know, of your liberal equals, how does it persist. 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You know, so what what are my hopes, I will say that going forward. You know, the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5526.81,5538.63"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Miss to connect with the wealth. Um, it has just been named as it was said there were the first to send missionaries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5539.68,5550.18"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now I think possibly will have less and less African Americans out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5552.52,5559.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, going out, you know, when I went to the yes I asked, Why is it that when I grew up. 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How do we build this business, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5611.14,5617.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And and i think you know we need to connect to do exchanges to collaborate, you know, both at individual communal and also at the community level. If we're talking touch you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5617.71,5630.07"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If we're talking at culture, you know, one of the things of course that I think you know the Empire has obviously done to the black church is alienation from their own cultures, you know, alienation from the own languages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5630.4,5643.09"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now research indicates that there's so many African immigrants coming in bringing different religions and cultures. 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You're muted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5810.1,5812.77"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you're muted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5813.94,5815.11"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5816.91,5817.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Musa Dube: In any case, I want to conclude by saying, I think, you know, what is there for our future. 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Thank you, Dr. Hanciles, the last few moments about expectations and hopes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5838.0,5846.13"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jehu J. Hanciles: Thank you. So in the last decade or so they've been vigorous debates among African American scholars about the status and fate of the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5848.11,5859.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Views range from the black church is dead, having lost his prophetic voice and progressive virtues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5860.29,5867.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the definition that he remains very much alive retains its capacity to mobilize nationally remain central in the life of African Americans who after all. And this is worth noting region high levels of religiosity. I understand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5868.93,5885.46"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pastor Miller's comments, but it is still true that somebody had 79% or so of African Americans, identify, self-identify as Christian and African Americans in this country still registers more religious than either whites or Latinos, so that that's important but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5886.78,5905.86"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eddie Glaude's 2010 article, declaring that the black church is dead I would say was important but somewhat overblown and and sensationalized","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5907.51,5921.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That being said, his arguments include included two observations that I believe are relevant to this conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5923.2,5930.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first is this, he wrote that different areas of black life are flourishing outside of the bounds and gaze of black churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5932.02,5942.58"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have we've we've acknowledged in this panel, but the black church has never been a static monolithic entity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5944.38,5951.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we're now in a time of great change in American society. And I think there's a growing consensus that the black church is no longer the main or only channel for black ideals and aspirations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5953.23,5967.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I know this is a good thing. It's not the issue, in my view, rather, it raises questions about whether an entity that has served as a mobilizing force for reform nationally and historically may find its role and relevance eroding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5968.59,5986.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To a pass, Amelia spine. Only about half of African Americans 53% to be precise associated with your strike any black protest and churches, according to a 2018 study. Now here's a case in point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=5987.4,6004.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is striking that the Black Lives Matter movement emerged outside the black church and its hierarchy that represented the civil rights struggle for decades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6006.84,6020.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And now, this may represent dissatisfaction with the aims and gains of the civil rights movements by a new generation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6022.23,6031.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But a demonstration of generational change that that sidelines church structures raises important questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6032.16,6040.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would argue that some critical elements of the Black Lives Matter movement can be seen as implicit critique of the black church and point or areas of need of radical change take these three. For instance, the founders of the Black Lives Matter movement are female.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6042.72,6062.91"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is very different from, as Dr. Miller has mentioned, a black church, it remains male dominated the second","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6064.44,6072.39"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Within the Black Lives Matter movement. There is not a single face individual or place that defines the movement on like when we think about civil rights era, and it's activist. And third, the Black Lives Matter movement went from grassroots to global","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6073.44,6092.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now I have to admit that Trump and the pandemic helps a little bit but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6093.96,6099.42"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the thing here is the issue, is it the Black Lives Matter movement framed the issues and push you change in ways that resonated beyond the US.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6100.47,6112.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think this might help us to think about the future of the black church itself. Now here's the second comment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6114.36,6121.11"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Form at a glance article that I think helps our discussion, he wrote the death of the black church as we have known it occasions and have an opportunity to breathe new life into what it means to be black and Christian","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6121.56,6135.81"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jehu J. Hanciles: Focusing on the death of the black church is this point about the opportunity to breathe new life into what it means to be black and Christian that caught my attention. And now, so back to the, the, the point about immigration, the 1965 Immigration Act","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6137.1,6154.23"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was directly influenced and to some extent shaped by the civil rights movement. That's the integration act that open the way for far reaching transformation of American society through massive non white immigration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6155.4,6169.26"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The browning of America and American Christianity that ensued is now well advanced","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6170.37,6176.46"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And expectation is that within the next three to four decades and non Hispanic whites will be a minority in this country as there already are in a number of states.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6177.12,6188.73"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we have to reckon with the fact that these new immigrants is post 1965 immigrants are projected to account for 88% of US population growth in the next century.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6189.6,6203.49"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So here's my point. The black and this is the question of the future, the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6205.02,6212.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is yes, not a single cohesive entity, but a fixed set of commitments ideas and no longer the sole vehicle for black culture and aspirations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6213.99,6225.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But even more importantly, in my view, the black church now exists in a religious environment where Christian forms of expressions have multiplied substantially","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6226.89,6238.71"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And these are forms and expressions within non white populations. So this question of what it means to be black and Christian in America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6239.46,6249.63"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"can no longer be answered without reference to this growing population of black immigrants and other non white constituencies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6250.14,6259.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, a cause for I believe new Coalition's new forms of collaboration and strategic alliances new calculations that factor in generational change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6259.86,6270.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Black, White binary at the height of the reform project within the black church remains cogent but it no longer fully explains the inequities of a deeply fractured American society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6271.05,6287.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The lens through which the black church and other non white Christian groups and movement view racism and racial violence desperately needs to widen","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6287.88,6299.55"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, here's my final comment. We're having this final within the school of theology and I want to come back to this question of African immigrants and African Americans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6300.81,6310.41"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want, I would like to suggest that the area of becoming your logical conversation partners represents one of the most vital.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6311.31,6323.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Areas of potential for bridging the gap and engaging each other. We've already noted, there's considerable overlap.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6326.55,6335.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the spirituality cultural ethos experience of marginalization reading of the Bible between these, these two groups.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6336.57,6344.43"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, on the one hand, African immigrant Christians bring new perspectives and insights to the role of the church, and in a context of suffering and and may well have to widen the vision of the black church beyond issues of race and ratio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6345.3,6361.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Resistance, the renowned historian I make me make an athlete African American history and give a real more noted and I'm quoting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6362.46,6371.25"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The theological program of African scholars to African as Christianity has much to say to African American scholars who wants to Indian indigenous the Christian faith in the culture of black America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6372.36,6385.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But on the other hand, African Americans call isn't theologians have a rich theological heritage that also can provide resources for African Christians and their descendants who let's admit it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6386.22,6399.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After the first time encountering the demeaning and sophisticated suffocating the humanizing impact of race and ratio margin of racism and ratio marginalization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6400.41,6411.9"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They have a lot to learn from African American experiences and and an insight and both sides have to learn have a lot to learn from each other's histories","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6412.95,6424.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I still recall how powerful I found is about Wilkerson's one of other sons. It's not simply because of my interest in and migration, the analysis, she provides of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6425.16,6437.85"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"African American life and it's it's encounter with structures of oppression and so on, provide a powerful insights that I would say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6439.17,6451.11"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Include the kinds of discoveries that this two sides can make. And this shared expectations and visions that they can call me an eight by close interaction and engagement. So for me, the future of the black church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6451.98,6470.73"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remains one of great debates and of course visor conversation, but the the African immigrant elements can be seen as one that can provide an important and substantive ingredients.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6472.92,6487.95"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: What a rich","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6492.18,6493.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jehu J. Hanciles: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6493.23,6493.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emmanuel Lartey: What a rich panel discussion what a rich series of contributions that we we have had we and we have a number of really fascinating questions which we will not be able to get to. Our time has really come up on us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6494.28,6517.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just note that the comments that Dr. Hanciles you were making concerning Eddie Glaude and his work,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6518.7,6532.89"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"absolutely anticipates the question that was a lot that had the had the highest number of votes. It was a question that had to do with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6532.89,6545.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"whether the black church is dead or needs to die, and whether the panel would respond to critiques that have been raised in this in this conversation. So there is definitely a lively conversation that continues, and I believe that we have made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6545.76,6569.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A. I want to thank every one of this panel for contributing in such a rich fashion out of your varied experiences and viewpoints towards what is an ongoing and as we've said","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6570.36,6586.74"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A movement that is not monolithic but that has particular challenges and problems and that needs to look back, as well as look forward in terms of its going forth","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6588.39,6601.59"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So with that, I will hand over to host Dr Phillips for concluding remarks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6602.61,6612.9"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Good afternoon and thank you. We started in the morning and we are ending in the afternoon. What a rich, complex discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6616.59,6627.81"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Answer the questions, many of the questions wrestled with and answered from your different disciplinary perspectives: historical, sociological,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6631.02,6641.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"educational. Unfortunately we didn't, we didn't get to have our moderator, who would who would have answered from a practical theological","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6641.67,6652.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"post colonialists studies perspective, but I am sure that your answers to the questions reflected in many ways and and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6653.19,6662.25"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there were overlaps it much of what you're saying I appreciated the difficult questions that you brought up in terms of the tensions between their relationships between African diasporic communities in the black church you brought up hard, challenging issues around","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6663.24,6683.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gender inclusion sexism. Of course, if we're talking about the black church we are talking about race and we're talking about liberation and we're talking about justice and so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6685.05,6697.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I leave convinced from your different disciplinary perspectives that the black church is not monolithic and the questions that are asked are questions that we will continue to wrestle with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6698.49,6710.82"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And books needs to be written. I'm and you are writing the books. And so to our attendees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6711.18,6718.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As I stated earlier, we are engaged with leading scholars and practitioners. And so I want to even though I don't have all of the titles of the many works that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6719.28,6734.13"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"our scholars and academicians have authored I bring your attention to the fact that they are authors, they are scholars and I know that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6734.82,6747.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"quite a few of them have authored books recently or books coming up. And so please be on the lookout for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6747.99,6756.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, in closing, once again, I thank you for the rich discussion, I thank you for being the panel to launch the discussion of what is black church in in America in the US and what is black church in the Americas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6757.53,6775.47"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We will be sending to our participants and attendees the recorded link to this panel discussion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6776.49,6784.9"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and we invite you to register for our other upcoming events on November 5 we will be having a panel moderated by Dr. Marla Frederick","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6785.0,6796.47"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the mega church tradition and the black church and then on November 12 we will have our, our Howard Thurman lecture delivered by the Dean of Duke University chapel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6796.8,6810.15"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reverend Dr. Luke Perry and then in the spring semester we have we have the same roster of excellent programming in celebration of 30 years of black church studies at Candler School of Theology","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6810.66,6828.75"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, once again, have a wonderful rest of your day. And thank you for joining us for this panel. Bye bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6829.26,6838.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220#t=6839.19,6839.52"}]},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35914/file/105220/transcript/22469/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/022/469/original/Black_Church_Tradition_in_the_Americas.vtt?1613083909","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/022/469/original/Black_Church_Tradition_in_the_Americas.vtt?1613083909"}]}]}]}