{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/iiif/w66930pj8d/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Emily Townes \"Colored Orneriness as Critical Companion in U.S. Democracy\""]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eOn September 17, Emilie M. Townes delivered the annual Anna Julia Cooper Lecture. Titled “Colored Orneriness as Critical Companion in U.S. Democracy,” in it she explored what she calls “colored orneriness” as a moral ideal that can provide a critical prophetic lens for Black communities and churches in the U.S. that suffer and resist relentless systemic oppression.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eThis annual lecture of Candler’s \u003ca href=\"https://candler.emory.edu/programs-resources/special-interest-area-programs/black-church-studies/index.html\"\u003eBlack Church Studies Program \u003c/a\u003e is named for Anna Julia Cooper, one of the most influential Black scholars of the 19th and 20th centuries. Born into slavery in 1858, Cooper graduated from Oberlin College and the Sorbonne, becoming the fourth African American woman in the U.S. to earn a PhD. She served as a public school teacher and principal in Washington, D.C. for more than 30 years, and remained a prominent educator, activist, and author until her death at age 105.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eOn September 17, Emilie M. Townes delivered the annual Anna Julia Cooper Lecture. Titled \u0026ldquo;Colored Orneriness as Critical Companion in U.S. Democracy,\u0026rdquo; in it she explored what she calls \u0026ldquo;colored orneriness\u0026rdquo; as a moral ideal that can provide a critical prophetic lens for Black communities and churches in the U.S. that suffer and resist relentless systemic oppression.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eThis annual lecture of Candler\u0026rsquo;s \u003ca href=\"https://candler.emory.edu/programs-resources/special-interest-area-programs/black-church-studies/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eBlack Church Studies Program\u0026nbsp;\u003c/a\u003e is named for Anna Julia Cooper, one of the most influential Black scholars of the 19th and 20th centuries. Born into slavery in 1858, Cooper graduated from Oberlin College and the Sorbonne, becoming the fourth African American woman in the U.S. to earn a PhD. She served as a public school teacher and principal in Washington, D.C. for more than 30 years, and remained a prominent educator, activist, and author until her death at age 105.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/105/221/small/open-uri20210208-30285-1l3b2bn?1612804939","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Emilie Townes Presents Anna Julia Cooper Lecture"]},"duration":6787.0,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/105/221/small/open-uri20210208-30285-1l3b2bn?1612804939","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://player.vimeo.com/video/461079229","type":"Video","format":"video/vimeo","duration":6787.0,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Caption [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Good afternoon.  I am Dr. Nicole Phillips associate professor of sociology of religion and culture and director of Black Church Studies here at Candler School of  Theology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6.377,54.624"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Welcome, to the 2020 Anna Julia Cooper lecture.  We scheduled to an online format to reach a wider audience.  I would like to now introduce Dr. Jan Love,  Interim Provost and Executive Vice President for Academic Affairs at Emory University, and Dean of  Candler School of  Theology, who will begin by offering a general welcome to the community gathered here this afternoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=54.624,59.819"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(Video)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=59.819,286.366"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Thank you Dean Love,  Interim Provost Love for such a gracious welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=286.366,325.918"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And now a little house keeping.  The message that you just saw was prerecorded, and so you saw the captioning in the prerecorded message.  However, we are now going live.  If you desire to have captioning, please click on the CC icon in the navigation bar.  And as well, as our lecturer Dr. Emilie Townes is speaking, please engage the chat function that will be operated by our Black Church Studies program associates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=325.918,367.871"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as well, if you have questions, and answers, and want answers, please engage the question and answer box which you will find at the bottom of the navigation bar.  And you will see it as a Q\u0026amp;A icon.  Remember, we are up voting questions.  And so we look forward to you presenting your questions to us and we encourage our participants today to vote on the questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=367.871,376.973"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now the Anna Julia Cooper lecture is one of the named lecture series for Candler's Black Church Studies program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=376.973,384.068"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. Anna Julia Cooper was the daughter of an enslaved woman and her slave master.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=384.068,395.868"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From her beginnings in enslavement, she advanced to becoming one of four African American women to receive what is considered at that time a gentlemen's education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=395.868,414.369"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Meaning, she went through four years of college at Oberlin College.  Eventually, and in her 60s, she achieved a PhD in French, one of for African American at that time to do so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=414.369,450.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. Cooper was a race woman and a highly influential educator in the late 19th and early 20th century.  So, it is only fitting, that Candler's Black Church Studies program hosts and invites a highly regarded and celebrated religious scholar, Dr. Emilie Townes, to deliver the 2020 Anna Julia Cooper lecture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=450.02,463.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the interest of time, and because this is a Black Church Studies program, I will introduce Dr. Townes in the one and only Black Church traditional way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=463.57,505.673"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To her students, she is known as, professor Emilie Townes.  To the Vanderbilt University divinity school community and GDR, she is known as, Dean Townes.  The wider academic community calls her by her new name of the Distinguished Professor of Womanist Ethics and Society at Vanderbilt University.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=505.673,531.873"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So without further ado, I will present to some and introduce to others Dr. Emilie Townes who will lecture on colored orneriness as critical companion in U.S. democracy.  Please let us all welcome her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=532.029,551.871"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Thank you Professor Nicole Phillips, esteemed alumna of the graduate Department of Religion at Vanderbilt University and thank you to interim provost and Dean Jan Love and a host of folks making this possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=551.871,575.471"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Including Alice Tarkington, John Peterson, Ken Lemons, Sarah Bogue, Devon Thomas, Clare Cawley,  Cristha Edwards, Cameron Cunningham, Astria Wilson, Jessica Spriggs and I may not have captured everyone's name I have seen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=575.471,584.582"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Devon Thomas, Cristha Edwards, Cameron Cunningham, Astria Wilson, Jessica Spriggs and I may not have captured everyone's name I have seen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=584.582,608.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For all of the work that you are doing today to translate the in person to the online this afternoon.  So let me get to it.\nIn this post-racial, post-election, post-truth era of lying, jacking, and deceiving, we are sitting on the cusp of what may be the greatest high-jacking of the common good in this nation's history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=608.02,650.269"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do not say this out of a sense of histrionics or terror.  No, I say this as a sometimes-grumpy social ethicist with womanist methodological swag who knows deep in my bones that blending a worldview of limited government with morally autonomous individuals who are also free-will happy folk responsible for their actions and life conditions is a prescription for disaster for the non-elite in this country --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=650.269,660.515"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the world of this blind and narcissistic moral autonomy, calls for responsibility, that is holding individuals alone as the arbiters of sociopolitical and economic updrafts of progress diminishes the social contact and ushers in a land grab moral flatulence masquerading as bringing America back to a greatness that was also lynchings, jingoism, protectionism, work inequity, manifest destiny, and just plain wrongness as the American way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=706.57,771.169"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is a rampant autonomous that makes personal responsibility so susceptible to moral depravity and cloying rhetoric that shirks and shuns social justice and its moral arbiter, the common good -- that elusive notion of what is shared and beneficial for all or most members of our society.  So in this �postness� of our postmodern, we �Negro-people� (to channel Nana Peazant and Julie Dash�s Daughters of the Dust� movie) are faced with a brand of religiosity called evangelicalism that is now running the show, but it is a Moral Majority White bread brand of evangelicalism that has always leaned politically to the conservative right � away from darker-skinned folk, women, LGBT folk,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=771.169,784.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religions other than Christianity - away from difference, diversity, equity and equality -- as a way to preserve austere whiteness as the law of the land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=784.12,790.366"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This particular expression of the White evangelical church keeps �Others� out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=790.366,825.171"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lisa Sharon Harper, Sojourner's former chief church engagement officer and one of its columnists, notes that it creates an alternative life for its congregants, one based on church growth models that create �huge churches, full of nothing but white people, an enclavish culture where you can literally live your whole life and everyone in your church is just like you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=825.171,834.718"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is just like you. You end up creating a situation where your world view is confirmed and affirmed by everyone again and again.�","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=834.718,887.918"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now I doubt that I am the only one who was not surprised that somewhere around 81% of those espousing this brand of evangelicalism were able to step over or past racially-charged language, anti-immigrant rhetoric, negative remarks targeting Muslims and Mexicans, as well as the emergence of the �Access Hollywood� tape and his other divisive comments about women to do an electoral college endorsement of someone whose only qualifications were hosting 14 seasons of \"The Apprentice.\"  It seems it was and is more important to preserve the dominance of whiteness","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=887.918,896.016"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To be sure, there have been a moderate to liberal to progressive brand of White evangelicalism.  For instance, the 1973 Chicago Declaration of Evangelical Concern that called on evangelicals to commit themselves to God's call �to defend the social and economic rights of the poor and oppressed�  and condemn racism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=923.019,953.618"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Only 53 mostly White male evangelicals signed the Declaration. However, tens of thousands joined the conservative Moral Majority and these folks have a history and activism that veers hard right on the Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam, abortion, LGBT rights, national defense, tax policy, welfare, climate change, healthcare and more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=953.618,969.817"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These White evangelicals and their allies have solidly and consistently championed the most conservative positions -- even when their positions have been detrimental to their immediate and long-term future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=969.817,987.468"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is the promise of dominance, the appeal of being in control, the possibility of wealth -- that undermines and out maneuvers their ability to wed their faith with their beliefs and actions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=987.468,1022.42"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there are other sides that bring us to this time together and it is in this complex of realities and possibilities that I want to focus the remainder of my remarks.  It is not enough to dwell on the wages of whiteness and the ways that White supremacy and racism wreak havoc on darkerskinned lives.  It is important that I also look at the man and woman in the mirror and ask, �what about us?�","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1022.42,1052.318"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suggest that we begin by giving serious attention to how the confluence of Black suffering and Black assassinations at the hands of law enforcement and civic policies in the context of how we have, as a nation , as religious bodies, and as an academy, crafted the notion of personal responsibility into an ethic of social control","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1052.318,1064.965"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that ignores the truncated access most dispossessed bodies, souls, and minds have to being free autonomous selves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1064.965,1081.568"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And further, it ignores a sometimes-strong communal aspect of how these bodies form themselves/ourselves as agents in a democracy to insist, if not demand, that we have access to being full participates in this nation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1081.568,1108.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, democracy is a word we often use to describe ourselves as a nation.  I want to trouble this notion some for it is, at best, an unrealized ideal and at worse a blunt force trauma to the spirit of those of us who are structurally at the margins of our society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1108.17,1118.414"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The core of democracy is free and fair elections, our active participation as citizens in civic life,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1118.414,1128.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"protecting the human rights of all citizens, and a rule of law in which the laws apply equally to all citizens,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1128.37,1133.917"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it is not monarchy, where the power is held by an individual,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1133.917,1155.118"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is not oligarchy, where the power is held by a small group of people, and the reality is we have blurred the lines because we have mixed democratic, oligarchic, and monarchic elements in how we go about trying to be a nation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1155.118,1171.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"even when we appeal to majority rule when talking about and trying to create and maintain a democracy political minorities can be oppressed if we don't have legal protections for individuals or group rights","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1171.87,1200.169"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so being a democracy means a good bit of work, negotiation, listening, compromising, insisting, protesting, and more to create a country and a society that actually values hearing from the rich diversity that makes it up,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1200.169,1235.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my friends, we are a bit away from achieving this these days in our representative, constitutional democracy that is the united states.  Where we should have elected officials representing our interests, and courts that can and do restrain the democratic will  what we have here today is the mixed minds of the founding fathers when the U.S. Constitution was drafted in 1787,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1235.32,1239.015"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"7,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1239.015,1246.266"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the word �democracy� is not in the Declaration of Independence of the Constitution","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1246.266,1270.719"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what they did was create a republic which is a form of government that bears some resemblance to democracy  in a republic,  power is held by the people and their elected representatives and has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1270.719,1275.565"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this left the true decision making power in the hands of a small, elite group of men (and a few women), who are purportedly said to be better equipped to rule than the majority of the population","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1285.217,1300.868"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Constitution that emerged was able to achieve the delicate balance of some popular representation while keeping the true decision-making power within the capable and deserving elite","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1300.868,1317.368"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with a House of Representatives whose membership was elected by popular vote, but was a minor power to the Senate that did not come from the direct popular vote until 1914","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1317.368,1326.218"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"now this prompts me to wonder: whose democracy are we talking about today in Black and other communities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1326.218,1347.668"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are we talking about free expression, political civility and equality, the quality of our elections, and checks and balances on power?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1347.668,1385.767"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are we talking about protecting the right to protest,  preventing electoral fraud,  deterring political violence, and not interfering with the press?  are we talking about the opportunity to vote,  stopping officials from exploiting their public office for private gain, and conducting politics and formulating policy based on a common acceptance of basic facts or informed consensus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1385.767,1399.316"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I look around, this grumpy social ethicist with womanist swag sees that we are living in a badly broken civic life","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1399.316,1412.369"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where poor voter turnout signals that many have lost faith in the government to represent their interests or folk are being prevented from voting when they do show up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1412.369,1435.971"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or worse we make arguments for not voting because we don't see government helping to make it possible to have decent education, affordable healthcare,  police officers that don't operate as if our neighborhoods are war zones and all darker skinned folk are urban terrorists, and more","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1435.971,1448.771"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if we don't vote in the people who will work with us to bring about these markers of a more just society, then we only deepen and make worse the things we see as problematic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1448.771,1469.269"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"many feel powerless and powerless people can become dangerous people who begin to circle the wagons around what little they have to keep others out or hem people in and we must factor in the power and influence of money in shaping our public policies","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1469.269,1487.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just these few concerns about some of the textures in our current situations and realities that far too many of us live with, can usher in a bout or two of paralyzing hopelessness or withering despair","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1487.62,1495.117"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to get at that more, I turn to Toni Morrison. . . who says, �invisible things are not necessarily �not there�;  . . . a void may be empty, but it is not a vacuum.  In addition, certain absences are so stressed, so ornate, so planned, they call attention to themselves;\n00:26:10.168 \u003e 00:26:38.569","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1526.169,1583.569"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is not a particularly interesting query anyway.  The spectacularly interesting question is �What intellectual feats had to be performed by the author or his critic to erase me from a society seething with my presence,  and what effect has that performance had on the work?�  What strategies of escape from knowledge?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1583.569,1610.616"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of willful oblivion? . . . Not why.  How?�\nthis shift from asking why? to asking How? can be liberating for this sometimes grumpy womanish christian social ethicist and, I hope for others as well","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1610.616,1639.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because it reminds me, it reminds us, that we have agency\nwe have the ability to act, to affect, to effect, to live, to shout, to sing, to say no or yes, to  use our abilities, whatever they may be,  to answer God's �whom shall i send?�  with �send me/ send us�","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1639.62,1648.168"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is to say, embrace our is-ness","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1648.168,1674.171"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am reminded that I was told from day-one by the older Black folk who raised me that I possess Black magic holiness and so did all Black folk around me and it was my responsibility to take that magic and share it not only with my family and community, but also with our society to help make real the democratic possibilities found in the common good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1674.171,1695.669"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was not taught dependency on the courts, law enforcement, or prosperity gospel.  I was not trained to provide better acoustics for evil and destruction.  Those things, I knew, were shady at best and not reliable at most.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1695.669,1722.818"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was also not taught to avoid independence but needed to be clear that my life was forged by a community that taught me to have a strong moral sense of self.  This crafted not only strong individuals, but also strong moral communities --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1722.818,1753.419"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a key building block to crafting a just status quo.  Yes, I am, like so many of us in the webinar, an inheritor of the Black evangelicalism of the 19th century that looked more at how to build freedom movements in the body and soul than the White evangelicalism that era that focused on the self and its depravities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=1753.419,1761.216"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It makes a difference if your moral tuning fork�s pitch vibrates at freedom or 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that tells all manner of folk that it�s our/their fault that\nsomeone's boot or an officer's knee is smashing our communities in the ground -- on our necks, face down so that we cannot breathe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2114.617,2148.172"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"our fault that we are raped by mossy teeth boys with book-reading politicians and social planners watching and writing it up\nour fault that we do not consider it racial progress to be seen as white or to become white if it means that we must give up the deep resonant black magic holiness of people who remain firmly rooted in this country, pressed to the wall, dying but fighting back every 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They are strategies that ask each of us -- you and me -- to think through what it means to be responsible, that can help shape the church, guide a ministry, light a pathway to knowledge and wisdom, create and maintain vibrant communities or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2203.471,2218.568"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and it is found in the concrete contexts in which people live out of their beliefs\n00:37:37.470 \u003e 00:38:04.170","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2218.568,2269.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is an ongoing faith-filled process -- a ripening and a ripening into wholeness\nliving out colored orneriness which is another way of saying integrating faith and life means that we recognize that we are made in God's image indeed, God's presence and love are the very fabric are our existence","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2269.17,2311.568"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we must face Morrison's plain-spoken question with fresh urgency and energy with a vigor that reminds us that we must embrace the demands of love a love that is determined to face into the wickedness of our day  a love that is neither sentimental or vapid","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2311.568,2313.814"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a love that is paired with justice such that public intellectual Cornel West notes that love is what justice looks like in public","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2313.814,2327.614"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"our job as scholarly, faithful folk, responsible folk, is to build a more just society","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2327.614,2347.817"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we need to harness the power of love over hate and violence  we must stop being too meek and mild with our love for love is not about being nice love is not being tolerant\nlove is not only about our hormones running amok love is not even all emotion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2347.817,2369.865"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have come to believe that we do not love others and we do not love ourselves   we mistake, far too often, hoarding for self-love and self-care; 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Where it is easier to point to perceived failings of Black folk and our kin and their/our inability to live up to the responsibility of bearing the moral sociopolitical weight of our flailing society rather than recognize and fix bankrupt politics and social policies that attempt\nIn the name of efficiency or wealth accumulation or protecting our borders or living in fear of others or bearing unrighteous arms","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2478.221,2482.366"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"i don't believe the we should practice the malformed love of hoarding that is nothing more than an over-religified, solipsistic, matterhorn\nwe are called to live our lives out in the possibilities -- found in wholeness, 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irritable disposition (although some situations may call for it) or the ornery of being cantankerous (despite how much i like the sound of the word when engaged in verbal play)\nthe ornery i am talking about this afternoon is when folk are difficult to deal with or to control","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2621.423,2641.771"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and colored orneriness has been a survival mechanism since black enslaved people were kidnapped in the name of progress and brought to the New World which was really a very old world for the native peoples living here for 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Wells Barnett, W.E.B. 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sheer orneriness is sometimes the only thing that can keep dreams alive, give us a creative edge, help us craft effective strategies for just-making social change, and helps us keep our humor and sway with our swag","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2728.12,2737.067"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so that we have the good sense to celebrate even the smallest victories before we get back to 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casing\nand then has the nerve to say this is orthodox when it really is little more than undiagnosed necrophobia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2820.968,2861.467"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we must become neighborly power houses of justice and hope\nand the best response to how we fight such a relentless cartel of evil masquerading as a call to accept responsibility for someone else's mess, is the kind of colored orneriness that has an attitude when it crafts moral thought, strategies, and actions that are not terrified of  the curve of our hips the arch of our backs the slow swing in our walks the glide of our 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you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2931.168,2954.816"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Thank you so much.  What a brilliant and poetic lecture.  I thank you, Dr. Townes. You have crafted a lecture that brings together so many major concepts, and talks about colored orneriness which is a bit of a tongue twister, in contradiction to the type of democracy in which we live.  One based in personal responsibility.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2954.816,2980.67"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you rendered a critique on that.  However, before I begin to engage you, let me go to the question and answer box and ask our audience, to continue to write questions.  And up vote the questions so up voting means voting on the question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=2980.67,3019.619"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Our first question, says thank you Dr. Townes for your intellectual labor and for sharing your brilliance with us.  In your lecture, you discussed the power of democracy, its failures, weaknesses and OMISSIONS.  I was wondering as I think alongside of you regarding black suffering and violence.  Could you talk to us about how black people can reimagine","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3019.619,3037.819"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and re-member democracy as a pathway to freedom and hope.  So that is one question.  I will, do you want all three?  Or do you want to take one at a time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3037.819,3039.668"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"00:50:57.116 \u003e 00:51:10.617 \u003e\u003e  Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3039.668,3055.617"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: So can you talk to us about how black people can reimagine, and remember democracy as a the pathway of freedom and hope?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3055.617,3089.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Well, I think one of the things that is necessary for us to do that, is to learn what is involved in a democracy.  And I don't say that to be cute.  But what I was trying to convince you all of in the lecture is we don't know much about what it takes to be a democracy because we don't learn that any more in our school systems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3089.87,3124.571"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Public or private.  So we need to dig down, and get down to the very business of understanding what exactly.  I gave you the list of what it means.  But what we have to also do is understand the history.  Most folk, well, I will be kinder than that, many folk in the U.S., do not know that the word democracy does not appear in our founding documents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3124.571,3160.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where did it come from?  When did it enter into the common language for who and what the United States of America is all about?  What brought that into being?  Know the history.  And once you know the history then put that history as the context for understanding what democracy means now for us.  Because it shifts and shapes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3160.97,3198.669"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is it a shape shifter.  When we have that, underneath our belt, then I think we can then begin to offer some strong and structural suggestions for how black folk might do that with the black stuff we already know.  We don't do democracy in the churches. Why not?  What stops us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3198.669,3230.267"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We start at home the places that mean a great deal to us.  So that is sort of an opening --  what your question makes me think of is that sounds like a good topic for a class one day.  You have good folk there that know how to teach this stuff.  Dr. Fluker, if you are listening. Who is running for. . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3230.267,3232.365"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Dr. Franklin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3232.365,3248.585"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Also knows this.  So you have resources there that can do it better than I can because they cut their eye teeth on thinking through these questions.  That is where I would start.\n00:54:40.416 \u003e 00:55:22.174","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3248.585,3307.174"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Yes. Because the democracy means you have to be working at it.  Once you get it doesn't just sit there being a democracy.  We have to keep working at it.  We have to keep watch.  Because it doesn't just be.  It is something that runs counter to the ways in which we have organized too much of our lives.  Political, social, religious, sexual you name it.  So to have an attitude of fierce love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3307.174,3323.967"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":", which is at the heart of colored orneriness absolutely.  You must keep both going and maybe come up with something else as we learn as we go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3323.967,3336.767"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: And the final, part three of the question --  this is from one of our graduates Donnell Willimson, who is now a brown university PHD student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3336.767,3343.224"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brown university PHD student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3343.224,3353.566"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I should have known.  He took my culture redemption class so I see where this is going --  or has democracy become too tainted for redemption?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3353.566,3373.418"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I don't know because we have not tried it.  I don't think we have really tried it get yet.  So we need to start practicing and then we can decide if it can be redeemed. See what I mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3373.418,3383.517"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay.  --  did you want to say something more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3383.517,3424.07"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Yes.  Last name is Williamson? Dr. Williamson,  I am going to give you that now so you live into it.  Keep those questions coming.  Our next question what are the salient similarities and differences between white evangelicalism that account for the ethical and unethical actions.  That is 1A.  There is a B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3424.07,3424.516"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I tried to underscore that.  If you look at the 1800s, where evangelical thought blossoms.  You see two different strands running around with white Christians, and black Christians who were enslaved for a good part of that century. White Christians were more centered, the evangelical thought of white Christians was more centered on the self.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3473.017,3529.42"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And how that self constantly falls short of the love of God in some ways.  In some cases.  In the most severe cases really self-demeaning religiosity.  But fell short of the call of the gospel.  What acts of mental leaps do you take to enslave people?  What does it take to do that?  You have to come up with a lot of stuff to reinforce and say okay, we need to Christianize slaves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3529.42,3541.666"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But once they are Christian that means they are human so they can't be human although they can be Christian so you have to fit that stuff together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3541.666,3559.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there was a real inward focusing of what was going on in white evangelical thought in the 1800s.  Where enslaved black folk were trying to figure out what in the world did we do wrong?  We were simply born, we did not even ask to be brought here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3559.87,3589.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We don't, we are not happy all day and singing all night.  What can we do to push ourselves to freedom?  So you have two very different pathways going.  Which doesn't mean they can't cross and you can see black folk practicing white evangelical thought and while folk practicing black evangelical thought.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3589.02,3618.469"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it doesn't happen in significant numbers.  We start to see a crack in that wall, I think as I am reading U.S. religious history, we see the crack in the wall in late 20s, early 30s.  And is it a little crack and then it closes back up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3618.469,3650.218"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have been doing the push pull stuff for a long time. So that is I think, is one of the ways that the differences arise.  I would be curious if those folks who are non-white, and not black, to look and see what you see in that era from your own racial ethnic groups.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3650.218,3664.266"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What happens in the 1800s?  Because I think we could have a very interesting conversation and maybe learn things from each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3664.266,3681.317"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay, part B.  How do black evangelicalism and white evangelicalism show up in the world differently based on their evangelical convictions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3681.317,3719.718"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Now I tried to be --  I almost was --  no I did no subtle on that at all.\nThe kind of white evangelicalism I am critiquing which is the same Christianity that Frederick Douglas critiques, is your religion allows you to own slaves.  Your religion allows you to lynch people and allows you to try to keep all manner of people out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3719.718,3752.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That evangelicalism shows up in the world.  The black evangelicalism, when it is on its best day,  let me be clear about that.  When it is on its best day you see it in people like John Lewis, the Pantheon, and in people we know in our neighborhoods who fought for justice in all manner of ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3752.72,3760.816"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is what it looks like.  That is how it takes on a different appearance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3760.816,3790.421"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Thank you.  So before I shift to the next question, someone on the slide of you has well-worn sneakers, so, I am going to shift, to the next question, and it is being asked by one of our professors Dr. Marla Fredrick.  What is the role of black churches in cultivating the type of black orneriness that you describe,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3790.421,3806.768"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"given that we have in so many instances over the past few decades accepted the type of neo liberal capitalism and self-help individualism that you see tearing at the root of the common good?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3806.768,3840.566"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Well that is why I am talking to y�all.  It is going to take a new generation of leaders who understand that, we never did it that way before, is not a call to mission.  It is in fact a way of keeping us away from the goodness of creation opening up the doors of the church.  Having an attitude of fearless Bible study.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3840.566,3854.519"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That asks questions and is not afraid of the answers.  And not try to protect God, we are not protecting God when we do that we are only protecting our ignorance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3854.519,3889.372"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I know that is a bit harsh.  But we don't have time to play around anymore.  We are in a state.  Or the kindest way I can put it is a hot mess.  And I think what black churches must do is open up the doors of the church and let new wind and leadership and new ideas come in.  And to understand how important it is to live into the gospel rather than try to maintain the status quo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3889.372,3928.468"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The status quo is killing us and killing the vibrancy of the black church.  I know it is killing the vibrancy of the black church so first start with ourselves and do our own homework and do what Baldwin says � do our first works over.  Engage ourselves and maybe, just maybe, we will have something to say that will be productive as a body of religious believers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3928.468,3961.068"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay thank you that goes to the heart of the last two questions which was, in other words how do we self-correct?  And what does that look like.  So I think that you have answered that.  Our next question, and please keep the questions coming.  How are we to move forward in solidarity while understanding the hijacking of black bodies and black culture?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3961.068,3989.222"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I need to have a better sense of --  I see this is an anonymous attendee, to have a better sense of what your definition of solidarity is.  So if you can type that in quickly, and you can stay anonymous I need to know the kind of solidarity I am responding to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=3989.222,4009.965"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If not, I will answer and it may not have anything to do with the solidarity you are talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4009.965,4015.967"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: You might have to answer without knowing exactly what our questioner is asking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4015.967,4048.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Okay for me, solidarity is a dangerous concept.  Because we move to it too quickly.  We think it is okay if we say I am going  to be in solidarity with.  And what tends to happen is the notion of reconciliation.  We move there before doing the hard work of confession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4048.37,4106.116"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The hard work of coming to know each other.  So, I sit back a bit, from a notion of solidarity, moving forward in solidarity.  I would rather move forward recognizing and celebrating our differences.  And seeing them as the very fabric of creation that can then help us move towards the recognition of black bodies as sacred. I don't think we do that.  The blow back we got with the phrase \"black lives matter.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4106.116,4144.109"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goodness.  What is that?  What makes it so threatening to say black people matter? I have not said a word about anyone else.  I really have not.  I have just simply said as I look at history, as I look at our contemporary scene, it doesn't look like we matter that much.  So I want to assert my is-ness, my God-given breath of life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4144.109,4164.267"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a lot of people that look like me and darker and lighter then me come out of black essence.  So I know I have wandered far from the question.  See that is what happens when you ask me and don't define the term that I find the most problematic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4164.267,4185.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Well it is all in there.  Okay.  All right we are moving to the next question.  Dr. Townes, I appreciate you sharing democracy should be practiced at home and in churches.  This could further assist us in future generations in acquiring a better understanding of how democracy works and how to protect it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4185.32,4198.117"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What are the other ways the black community can reclaim or take ownership of protecting democracy in the U.S. outside of politics or alongside it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4198.117,4213.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I would like to see what we could do if we practiced it in our personal relationships and I am not talking necessarily about the ones that involve oh baby oh baby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4213.02,4253.569"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean how we, how we live together.  How we talk to one another.  How we listen.  How we form communities or not.  I think if we could become more human and humane with one another, that is living into a democratic spirit of we are all in this together and it is not good when we think people have the market of righteousness.  And them is us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4253.569,4290.168"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And nobody else counts. So, I want to push, push that notion of we really must do, I can't say this enough.  We really must do our first works over.  It begins internally and moves out.  Or sometimes it does start outward and we get convicted and we need to do the internal work.  But that is one way I would see as necessary for us to think.  And work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4290.168,4325.967"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: I appreciate in your answer the, you challenging black folk to selfcorrect.  So not only criticism, critical engagement with whiteness, but also to say that we have a responsibility too.  So let me move to another question.  What are some ways that we can reinforce the encouragement and remind others of our black magic holiness?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4325.967,4331.968"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Especially in this make America great culture?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4331.968,4360.519"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I think it is instructive and interesting that it took a less than nine minute video, which many people couldn't watch because they could not watch it but they heard about it.  Of a black man getting the life pressed out of him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4360.519,4406.419"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"While folks on the corner were saying stop!  It was, it was not, this was not --  an isolated road somewhere, it was on a busy street corner.  It took that kind of horror to bring back into being the true meaning of the black lives matter movement and to garner a multi-racial out pouring of outrage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4406.419,4456.22"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that is not what I want on display.  I don't want that to be the reason why folk do the right thing.  That someone has to have the life pressed out of him?  On his neck?  I think it is also instructive that didn't get a lot of play until athletes started protesting.  Collin Kaepernik was by himself for a long time.  Then they were not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4456.22,4477.418"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now, it is important, now we have seen it and now we can't walk away from it.  So for me, it becomes an occasion.  Look at the people around you -- you see black holiness all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4477.418,4515.07"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Candler got a lot of black folks walking those halls last time I heard about it.  It is not like you have to go somewhere for it.  Look at the folks sitting right next to you.  Well, six feet away from you, if you are in person, or in the boxes, if we are doing a webinar.  Stop and look.  It is a diversity.  We don't all look the same or talk the same or think the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4515.07,4547.967"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And some of us can�t sing and many of us can't dance.  So look at the diversity.  Of what you see right around you.  Don't have to go far.  And, for those black folk who are in these boxes or six feet away, remember you got hot stuff in you.  You were birthed with God's love.  And God's hope for you in the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4547.967,4563.568"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Live into that.  Model it.  That is the only thing I know to do.  Because everything else we have tried doesn't seem to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4563.568,4594.018"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay, thank you.  All right.  Our next question, they are coming.  In what ways can an ethic of colored orneriness inform the black church's preaching and proclamation in the face of nihilism sparked by of the seemingly futile project of democracy and freedom?  This is a two part question?  Do you want two parts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4594.018,4609.817"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: No let me do the first one.  It is it probably as long as the second one.  Say the first part again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4609.817,4629.866"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: In what ways can an ethic of colored orneriness inform the black church's preaching and proclamation in the face of the nihilism sparked by the seemingly futile project of democracy and freedom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4629.866,4660.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Well, I think one of the things that colored orneriness would take on is notion that nihilism is a healthy thing to hold.  A stance to be and a place to be. For me at least, a know there are plenty of black scholars out there who, about to have their hair on fire but I don't find nihilism healthy or helpful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4660.72,4678.218"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It says, for me when I hear nihilism I hear, despair has won.  How much time?  We have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4678.218,4688.315"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: We actually have 40 minutes.  But we can end early.  Okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4688.315,4715.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I am going to tell you a story.  It is a James Cohn --  story.  Years ago I was working on my book on black healthcare and healing, breaking the fine rain of death and Jim Cohn was a health fanatic.  A lot of people didn't know this but he worked out five days a week.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4715.17,4752.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a serious work out not like --  very very serious.  And he came to the school when I was teaching in Kansas Missouri, and I picked him up at the airport, and he asked me how the book was going.  Well I was at the final chapter.  For those of you who may have read the book you know it is not happy reading.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4752.87,4781.471"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Black healthcare is not a happy topic and it has not gotten better but that is another lecture.  At any rate, I was at, stuck on the last chapter because I could let go of hope.  Even all I knew.  I could not figure out how to fit it in.  It made no sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4781.471,4814.718"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I told Jim my dilemma.  I said knowing anything I know about black healthcare I still have hope I don't understand.  And Jim sat up and said.  Emilie, you must have HOPE.  You have to have hope.  Because the only alternative is despair, and then they have won.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4814.718,4842.869"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I am driving I am like --  damn he is right.  The scales fell off.  You know, what, it hurts to do Jim's voice.  The scales fell off because in that instance I realized that the church I was raised in didn't teach despair it taught hope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4842.869,4880.967"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is how I was raised that is what made the most sense for people.  That is what got people getting up every morning in a color-lined community in Durham, NC.  It was not despair it was hoping things would be better and working towards it.  So nihilism is not a healthy place to be or stay or theorize from.  And I am happy to engage folk who want to argue otherwise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4880.967,4892.816"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I just don't think that is what we are about.  Or should be about.  In the work that we do.  Now what was the question again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4892.816,4924.671"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: So --  in what ways, so you addressed in the question you addressed nihilism but the question is what ways can an ethic of colored orneriness inform the black church's preaching and proclamation.  Before you answer that let me tack on part B because, you are talking about being raised in the black church traditional, which is a hopeful tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4924.671,4928.665"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So is an eschatological hope the only hope we can offer the listens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4944.016,4987.222"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Well the notion of colored ornierness is a heartbeat that is a radical love.  And I should say I am just starting to work on this.  So I would love the questions because it is helping me better understand what in the world do I mean by colored orneriness?  This is very helpful.  Thank you for indulging me.  That radical love is what continues to draw us and lead us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=4987.222,5030.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or it must and should because part of what will happen, I think, is we will have to change.  Now think about any time you have fallen deeply in love.  Not the same person you were before you had that love. Whether it goes or stays or grows, something in us gets reshaped.  Something in us.  I hope on a community or communal level, helps us be more intune with the demands of building and maintaining community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5030.32,5055.616"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Is an eschatological hope the only remedy to offer listeners?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5064.166,5072.715"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I don't think so but I don't know.  I would love for folks to weigh in now.  E-mail me, I answer e-mail not as quickly as I used to but I answer my e-mail.  I would love to have that conversation.  Because I am not --  I don't think so but I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5072.715,5142.671"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay.  Well, having dealt with Dr. Townes for the last how many months, she answers very quickly for all of her responsibilities.  So we are going to shift to the next question.  Excellent lecture.  So it starts out as a comment.  How does a --  this is quoting you --  Gumpy social ethicist with womanist swag --  sometimes grumpy --  social ethicist with womanist swag","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5142.671,5160.718"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"suggest that scholars disseminate a message of colored orneriness to the unchurched absent from formal education folk, black or otherwise, so they can join your thought and become leaders of social change?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5160.718,5195.972"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: One of the things, the mistakes we make in ministry in general is to use the big words we learn on people who don't have the background, or the training to understand what you are saying.  So we have to translate and that is the same thing with colored orneriness.  I would not go into an unchurched community and talk about colored orneriness right off the bat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5195.972,5217.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would demonstrate it and live it and give them a sense of what it looks like in the way I deal with folk.  And then, after a time with that community, then I might, I like what I am doing,  I am going to call this --  and you bring out the word�","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5217.62,5278.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we have to teach folk and we have to think carefully, pedologically about how folks learn.  It is not dumping big words on folk-  but if we give folk a chance to see what our faith journey is and our commitments are, they can relate to that.  Either they will or they won't but they will relate to it and like it one way or the other.  And then we can have, we can build a conversation.  So it is not, something that happens right off the bat in using the words, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5278.62,5281.617"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am going to shift to the next question.  Is colored orneriness a politic of refusal or is it an also an affirmation of something as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5323.718,5349.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I am not a big fan of either/or thinking.  I know it exists and I know in places in life it exists.  But I am much more a both/and person.  I think more, or try to think more synthetically so that we see the knitting together of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5349.57,5361.819"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I would not pull them apart I would bring them together.  Both can happen.  And that may be the shortest answer I give.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5361.819,5403.321"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay.  That is fair enough.  I am returning to a question that had seven up votes. Dean Townes, what a pleasure to see and hear you speak again you move us.  Will you say more about the role that you believe that Christian communities should play in promoting and teaching democracy?  And what have you seen it look like in churches?  And I am not, since the person did not place a modifier like black churches, it says Christian communities I suspect that is what he is asking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5403.321,5411.018"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Christian communities should play in promoting and teaching democracy and what have you seen it look like in churches?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5411.018,5435.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I saw it when I was little.  And that simply was churches were the site where citizenship classes were held.  We don't have, most of us have never heard of a citizenship class in today's more recent generations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5435.17,5457.771"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Civics stopped being taught in public school systems a while ago.  And so like so many things, and I will, this I will say is true for black churches because I am not sure what was going on in white churches because I was not allowed in when I was growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5457.771,5504.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the church was the place and can now become the place and in many instances is become and is the place where you go with your questions and you go with your ignorance to get knowledge.  Black churches were the biggest site of black healthcare in the 20s, 30s and 40s.  Why?  Because doctors and nurses attended those churches so they held health fairs and did what we call now wellness checks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5504.02,5537.867"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Public health service came in.  That went out of style and now we are bringing it back.  The church has always been a site where you can go to get knowledge.  We forget that.  And so that is one of the things I would love to see be more and more is to bring that back -- the educational function of what is going on in society?  And it doesn't have to be pitched one way or the other.  I would argue against that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5537.867,5568.721"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You have to bring the whole suite of what it means to be a democracy. I was talking with a group yesterday called \"braver angels\" and they started in 2016 after the elections --federal elections-- to start to bring together conservatives and progressives in civic and civil conversations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5568.721,5578.518"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they have been at it now since 2016.  And they are gearing up now for this coming election.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5578.518,5630.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is possible. They wanted the divinity school to participate.  They had plenty of churches and synagogues and mosques participating in how we talk to each other.  That can be done again and it is being done.  That is not a new thing in many places.  Not in all places so I encourage folk to look at what churches are doing.  We have a church in the city \"the grove\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5630.87,5662.568"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and they are doing all sorts of programming around community education.  And yes they pray before and after the session but they understand the middle part of the section is of God of as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5662.568,5669.417"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. 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EMILIE TOWNES: I have not written more about it because I just started talking about it and one of my processes for writing is that I lecture it.  First.  I test it in communities and pay attention to the questions I get.  I think about that, work up more.  Next time I get an opportunity to do a lecture where it makes sense to talk about it --  I will update it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5703.37,5720.867"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"See what more, new ideas have come and so it is still in the baking stage.  But I appreciate the question it helps me know I need to get on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5720.867,5753.42"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: So I will ask the final question before we --  unless we have more but I think we have exhausted your brain cells in some way.  So I appreciated when you talked about the me-first rampant individualism that is our national and social ethos and you named many of which our young people who have been killed based on excessive police force.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5753.42,5787.724"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this brings up the Black Lives Matter.  So originally when I asked you to speak it was under a different banner.  So looking at the black church as an instrument of social change in American democracies, we have seen, this has been a tumultuous year of social unrest, yet our black lives matter young people have been leading the charge for this social movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5787.724,5822.717"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So how does decentering the church, so how does colored orneriness relate to speak to, black lives matter moment, and specifically the millennials and GenZ.  Since the church is decentered at this moment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5822.717,5854.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: It is interesting one of the things I have noticed that sometimes happens and I can't tell because I can't see everyone if it is true for the gathering here, when I have done lectures or started talking about colored orneriness, it�s the younger people who like it more than the older -- no respecter of race on that one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5854.12,5877.572"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a similar reaction I got when I really pushed back against solidarity as a noble notion we should all aspire to.  In the cultural production of evil.  Womanist ethics and the cultural production of evil.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5877.572,5932.922"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It says to me that we sometimes want to be really nice.  And I am sorry I don't see a nice gospel.  I see a powerful one and a world changing one and a quiet one.  I see the cross and the empty tomb but I don't see nice hanging out.  What I do see, I see people and I am not just talking about Jesus, I see people trying to figure it out.  God bless the disciples, they got it wrong almost every time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5932.922,5953.967"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is a hard one.  So, for me I think that part of what millennials and GenZ now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5953.967,5965.921"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: GenZ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5965.921,5971.618"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: I hate using those words because they are almost never are what people are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5971.618,5974.166"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: What about Hip-hop people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=5974.166,6006.865"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: When you start tagging people you turn them into commodities --  I digress, I think one of the things that may make colored orneriness attractive to younger folks is that it encourages asking questions.  It doesn't say, you have, you should not ask that question because that is not of God.  Tell me, please, what is not of God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6006.865,6059.472"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seriously. I don't know what is not of God in creation. Good stuff and the bad stuff I don't know what is not of God.  The question becomes who are we in relation to God?  If we have a faith and a witness that says, allows us to say something is wrong.  We should be able to say it and not be afraid that the community that birthed us is going to shut us down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6059.472,6105.168"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it is sort of like, one time my mother came and heard me lecture once at the other Methodist divinity school up the road in Durham in my home town.  She had never heard me lecture before and she sat in the back of the room.  She was a Dean Townes too.  We are walking to the car afterwards and she stopped and looked at me.  She was taking me to the airport.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6105.168,6160.619"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She looked at me and said, �When did you get to be so wise?�\nI am sure I gave her the, you have lost all your mind --  I said, �listening to you and dad.�","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6160.619,6221.544"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Thank you.  So, I asked my question, and two more came up and so these are the last two so we can have time to close out.  I wonder how it would look if colored orneriness became an ethical model of rereading histories of America and re-narrating American national identities.  If it can what are womanist and feminist roles in assisting and facilitating the process?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6221.544,6248.218"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: That sounds like a good project.  That is an excellent question.  It sounds like it is the asker's question that can embrace it and really work with it.  And I would love to be in dialogue as you go.  What was B?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6248.218,6257.465"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: What are womanist and feminist roles in assisting and facilitating the process?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6257.465,6274.77"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Well I don't know about feminist but I know what womanist needs to do what we have done all along.  Something is wrong here.  The world we got here is not what we see in the book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6274.77,6315.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not what we see in the book.  And then sometimes it really is.  Because that book is very, diverse.  It is a big book.  A long of things they had no business doing.  So let me pull that back.  But I think is important for us to really get a sense of if we know, if you could see a better and different world we have to say it.  We have to live it.  And no matter where we are, we have to teach it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6315.62,6345.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It doesn't just mean we have to have a professor or a grade schoolteacher.  Or it doesn't.  We are teaching people all of the time.  Some of my best teachers were folks in my neighborhood.  Secretaries and police officers and we had a house of ill repute three doors down from my house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6345.17,6366.267"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They taught all the time they were giving us instruction about life.  And that is what we have to continue to do.  We have to be the ones that continue to educate by our actions and not only by our words.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6366.267,6398.518"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay.  And this is C and D but C is actually not a question, it is a statement, I am also thinking about neo-evangelicals in the 80s who ideologies shape so much about so-called great America.  What is the church's role or what are church's role for the process of re-narrating histories of America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6398.518,6427.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Well, first thing is know it in order to re-narrate it.  Listening to my colleagues talk about what comes in the classes.  And it is disturbing to all of us how little we know.  Of our history.  As a church in America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6427.62,6445.466"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in general, I think we are very bad historians.  As U.S. citizens.  We just don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6445.466,6446.616"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6446.616,6450.165"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: So we have to educate ourselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6450.165,6468.668"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay.  This is a final comment, no more questions.  I am older but I like the concept of colored orneriness that resonates a lot with me.  So that is your final comment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6468.668,6508.421"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: Good.  I turn 65 last month.  And I come from a family system where we celebrate every year and tell people about it because a lot of people don't make it to the age we are.  So let me put that out there.  And there is a way I think, in which I have in the back of my head I have --  this is one of the things I have to keep working on.  Because if you notice the lecture ends with the old black woman who raised me--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6508.421,6528.967"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is colored orneriness.  I was raised with it, and the irony is, when I went back one day to figure out how old those old black women were they were my age and they look really young now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6528.967,6544.165"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: You look good for your age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6544.165,6551.916"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. EMILIE TOWNES: It can resonate with older generations.  Some of us were raised by people born with their hands on their hips.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6551.916,6603.422"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003e DR. NICHOLE PHILLIPS: Okay.  Well, with my hands on my hips, I would like to just thank you again for a beautiful riveting complex rich lecture.  I am leaving here thinking about colored orneriness as an ethical concept but as a political concept. You bring in democracy and it is an answer to a democratic project that is not only complex but there are pieces that are at variance with each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6603.422,6649.11"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The undue focus on rampant individualism, as you say, or personal type of responsibility that really becomes devoid of social ethos. So you have given us a lot to chew on and so I wanted to thank you again.  And thank our audience.  Our virtual audience for joining us today.  As Dean Townes stated earlier, thank you Alice Tarkington our events manager and the technical team she gathered together for this to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6649.11,6691.473"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a lot of work.  Not just for the technical team but our speaker as well and I appreciated Dr. Townes, your graciousness in working with us so this could run as smoothly as possible.  I want to follow up with and quickly say that Dean Townes even though it is a rescheduled event, we honoring 30 years of black church studies at Candler, so we have a year, an academic year, 2021 of fall events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6691.473,6713.387"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I am asking our participants to look out for those events as well.  You will receive a follow up e-mail with the 30th anniversary registration links and any links are publications announced and mentioned throughout Dean Townes lecture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6713.387,6747.921"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I wanted to thank our captioner that did an excellent job,  Jessica Spriggs, I consider she was part of our technical team and I wanted to ask you as we close out and we are closing out at a good time, to take the time to do the two survey questions you will receive immediately when we close out this webinar.  Please, please, we would love your feedback.  Have a wonderful semester and we will see you at our next event.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6747.921,6778.469"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The launch of the 30th anniversary on October 8th, will be a sermon in black church tradition by our very own first director of Black Church Studies Dr. Robert Franklin.  And we hope to see you on Candler's worship site on Facebook and you can access that site on the web page.  Thank you again for joining is and have a wonderful evening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221#t=6778.469,6780.618"}]},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1305/collection_resources/35915/file/105221/transcript/22454/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/022/454/original/_SubtitleTools.com__Final_Edited_Transcript_Anna_Julia_Cooper_Lecture.vtt?1613057291","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/022/454/original/_SubtitleTools.com__Final_Edited_Transcript_Anna_Julia_Cooper_Lecture.vtt?1613057291"}]}]}]}