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displaced.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121105#t=427.66,431.49"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121105/transcript/31817/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I'd love to\nhear how you came","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121105#t=431.49,434.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121105/transcript/31817/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to select those texts to\nthink about that 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[laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121105#t=445.28,446.69"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121105/transcript/31817/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is in quotes, I\nshould have done that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121105#t=446.69,448.273"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121105/transcript/31817/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I should have done quotes, 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.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=335.76,338.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, you know, I'm\nafraid you might","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=338.14,339.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be more knowledgeable about\nthat because I haven't 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episodic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=346.52,347.94"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, I don't really have\na very good sense of what,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=347.94,352.03"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know, looking at the\nvarious fields 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.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=362.22,369.53"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think about this Edward Said's\nmentioning of the secular","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=369.53,375.38"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"criticism, I mean that was\nagain another puzzle to 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project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=388.92,392.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=392.12,392.67"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I feel like\nthat's where I 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everywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=409.21,411.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=411.12,411.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, of 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problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=416.265,417.39"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, it is the problem, you\nknow, this kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=417.39,420.82"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And none of which\nis 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agree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=425.99,426.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, we know that\nit is a problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=426.57,428.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is a because whole bunch\nof bundled 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right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=434.28,435.71"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107#t=435.71,436.21"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47952/file/121107/transcript/31819/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, that means\nof course 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