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His sixth book,  \u003cem\u003eOur Non-Christian Nation\u003c/em\u003e, will be published by Stanford University Press in June 2019. Professor Wexler tweets as \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/SCOTUSHUMOR\"\u003e@SCOTUSHUMOR\u003c/a\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJay Wexler is a Professor at the Boston University School of Law, where he has taught law and religion, among other topics, since 2001. In addition to many scholarly articles, Wexler is the author of five books, including\u0026nbsp; \u003cem\u003eHoly Hullabaloos: A Road Trip to the Battlegrounds of the Church/State Wars\u0026nbsp;\u003c/em\u003e and\u0026nbsp; \u003cem\u003eWhen God Isn\u0026rsquo;t Green: A World-Wide Journey to Places Where Religious Freedom and Environmentalism Collide\u003c/em\u003e. His sixth book,\u0026nbsp; \u003cem\u003eOur Non-Christian Nation\u003c/em\u003e, will be published by Stanford University Press in June 2019. Professor Wexler tweets as \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/SCOTUSHUMOR\"\u003e@SCOTUSHUMOR\u003c/a\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/101/160/small/data?1605478141","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Our Non-Christian Nation (Jay Wexler)"]},"duration":984.0,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/101/160/small/data?1605478141","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXg2mraU9Uc","type":"Video","format":"video/youtube","duration":984.0,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["YouTube English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to start today with a story about a \nquirky religious group out of Salt Lake City,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=8.55,13.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Summum. Now, the Summum are a small group \non the western side of Salt Lake City on a large  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=13.14,21.09"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"piece of property with a pyramid on it that \nopens up like a DeLorean - people who\u0026#39;d go  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=21.09,25.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"inside and do rituals there are mummies in there \n- real actual mummies. The Summum were founded  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=25.92,32.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in 1975 when an administrative manager from a \nSalt Lake City supply company was visited by  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=32.19,37.35"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"superior beings from another planet who presented \nhim with the seven aphorisms of the Summum. The  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=37.35,46.41"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Summum believed that when Moses went to the top \nof Mount Sinai, God gave him the seven aphorisms  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=46.41,52.53"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"first. But then when Moses went down and saw \nthe people inside, the immaturity of the people,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=52.53,57.78"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they weren\u0026#39;t ready for the seven aphorisms, so \nwe smashed the seven aphorisms went back to the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=57.78,62.13"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"top of the mountain got the Ten Commandments \nand gave it to the people instead. Not so far  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=62.13,67.86"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from Salt Lake City is this small town called \nPleasant Grove, and within Pleasant Grove,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=67.86,72.3"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there\u0026#39;s a public park, and inside that public \npark, there\u0026#39;s a monument to the Ten Commandments.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=72.3,76.77"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you might say to yourself, \u0026quot;well how could \nthere be a giant monument to the Ten Commandments  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=76.77,81.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in a public park given that we have separation of \nchurch and state?\u0026quot; To which I would say, I agree,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=81.48,86.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but the Supreme Court disagreed. In 2005, they \nsomehow held in this case called Van Orden  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=86.04,95.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that the government may have a Ten Commandments \nmonument on its property, so long as the monument  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=95.19,100.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is surrounded by some other monuments, and so long \nas the monument has been there for a long time.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=100.83,105.03"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the Summum, being a group that believes in \nreligious pluralism, went and they thought hey, if  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=105.03,112.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this Park has a Ten Commandments monument in it, \nshouldn\u0026#39;t it also have a seven aphorisms monument  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=112.8,116.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in it? And so they asked the town: They said we \nwould like to put up our seven aphorisms monument  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=116.88,121.41"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in your park. Shockingly, the park said no, thank \nyou. They said you know the Ten Commandments are  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=121.41,129.27"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"okay because they\u0026#39;re related to the history of the \nUnited States and the history of Pleasant Grove,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=129.27,132.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but the seven aphorisms not so much. So the Summum \nsued. They sued for religious discrimination and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=132.48,138.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the case went all the way to the Supreme Court \nand the Supreme Court held nine to zero against  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=138.36,142.86"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Summum, and the reasoning was that when the \ngovernment puts up a monument on its property it\u0026#39;s  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=142.86,149.61"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"basically speaking for itself and so you can\u0026#39;t \ncome in and tell the government that it\u0026#39;s got  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=149.61,153.99"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to say something that it doesn\u0026#39;t agree with which \nactually makes a lot of sense if it was otherwise  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=153.99,158.43"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then if the government were to for example put up \na monument to liberty and equality somebody could  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=158.43,163.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"come and say hey you got to put up my monument \nto bondage and slavery and we wouldn\u0026#39;t obviously  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=163.65,168.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"want that. So the Summum rightfully lost, \nalthough the problem in that whole situation  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=168.72,172.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is not with the Summum case - it\u0026#39;s with the Ten \nCommandments case in my view. But, in any event,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=172.98,177.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Summum situation illustrates two interesting \nthings about the United States at the current  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=177.24,183.96"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"moment. The first is that we don\u0026#39;t really live in \na separation of church and state nation. Over the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=183.96,191.07"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"course of the last 20 or 25 years, the Supreme \nCourt has basically torn down the wall between  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=191.07,194.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the separation of church and state and it\u0026#39;s upheld \nall sorts of government support of religion from  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=194.52,199.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"putting up religious monuments to giving out \ngovernment money to religious organizations and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=199.17,205.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so many other things. I don\u0026#39;t know if we\u0026#39;ve ever \nactually lived in a society that had separation of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=205.65,211.26"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"church and state, but if we did, we now currently \nlive in a post-separation of church and state  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=211.26,217.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nation. The second thing that the Summum case \nillustrates is how religiously diverse the United  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=217.98,225.15"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"States has become. So as recently as 1970, about \n90% of Americans identified as Christian. Now,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=225.15,233.25"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that\u0026#39;s much lower something like 70% and there are \ntwo reasons for that. 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There\u0026#39;s something like \n20, 25, 30 percent of the population. Those two  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=249.75,256.74"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"facts, if you put them together, they raise the \nquestion in my mind - what should non-Christians  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=256.74,262.35"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do in a post-separation of church and state \nnation? 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The Satanic Temple is  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=619.69,624.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a group that was formed in 2012 and now counts \nmaybe fifty thousand members across the globe,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=624.76,630.01"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that might be a little high but they have a big \nmembership though, and this group is not your  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=630.01,634.54"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grandma\u0026#39;s Satanists, okay, they don\u0026#39;t kill babies \nor drink blood or mutilate cats and in fact,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=634.54,640.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nobody has ever done that no satanic group has \never done it. That is all made up by the satanic  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=640.36,646.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"panic of the 1970s and 1980s. 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They\u0026#39;re a very politically left-leaning  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=668.86,674.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"group -- They make Bernie Sanders look like Joe \nLieberman, as I think. 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Arkansas did not do that,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=700.41,706.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and so there\u0026#39;s a lawsuit going on about that. When \nthe Christian evangelical fellowship starts good  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=706.65,712.59"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"news clubs in public schools after the school day \nis done they use classrooms around the school in  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=712.59,718.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"order to proselytize six-year-olds into believing \nthe literal truth of the Bible, the Satanic Temple  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=718.29,724.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"asked them to also host their after school Satan \ngroup in order to spread the word of Satan to the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=724.5,731.61"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"students as well. 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But as the time approached for the for the \ninvocation and the people of Phoenix found out  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=742.83,747.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what was going on they went bananas and they had \nheld this giant meeting with like 300 people that,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=747.57,753.33"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"went on for an hour and everybody denounced the \nSatanic Temple even though it was clear that  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=753.33,756.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"nobody knew what they were about people said \nwe got to project phoenix people from satan,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=756.6,761.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"satan\u0026#39;s gonna bring his curses upon our town, \nthey took out dollar bills to prove that we  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=761.19,765.63"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were one nation under God, etc. It went on and \non and what did the City Council do? 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So what do we learn  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=777.33,783.66"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from these two stories? One thing we learn is \nthat in fact, non-Christians have been demanding  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=783.66,790.26"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to take part in public life alongside Christians, \nthis has happened a lot it\u0026#39;s sort of increasing  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=790.26,797.61"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"over the last few years, they\u0026#39;re asking to give \ninvocations, to get government money to start  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=797.61,802.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after-school clubs. For somebody like me who grew \nup Jewish and then became an atheist and then got  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=802.68,807.69"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really into Taoism, this is kind of an exciting \nphenomenon to study and follow. The other thing  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=807.69,814.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that we learned which is more important; is what \nhappens when the minority asks to participate in  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=814.17,818.25"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"public life. There are two possibilities actually, \nthe Summum example presents a third possibility  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=818.25,826.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but that\u0026#39;s sort of anomalous and it turns on \nthe fact that Van Orden Ten Commandments case  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=826.14,832.11"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was so stupid but other than that there are two \nthings that usually happen: One is the Christians  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=832.11,838.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"say oh sure come on and either they decide to let \nnon-Christians enter the public square or they\u0026#39;re  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=838.56,844.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"forced to by the courts and then we have a more \npluralistic public square think about the National  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=844.8,849.36"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cemetery with its wicked Pentacles and it\u0026#39;s Jewish \nstars and the crosses and everything like that,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=849.36,855.33"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the meatball possibly. Or, do you think about \nthe invocation you know in Town of Greece  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=855.33,862.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with the Atheists or giving invocations after \nChristians. The second possibility is that the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=862.5,869.43"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Christian majority doesn\u0026#39;t want them to share the \nstage of minorities and so closes down the forum  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=869.43,875.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"altogether to religion. I think that either of \nthose two possibilities is preferable to a public  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=875.04,887.64"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"square that is dominated by Christianity, and so \nif you zip back to the question I asked before  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=887.64,891.72"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is \u0026quot;what should non-Christians do in a \npost-separation of church and state-society?\u0026quot; and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=891.72,895.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remember there were two possibilities either do \nnothing and see the public square to the religious  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=895.2,899.34"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"majority or to seek to participate alongside \nthe majority. I think either of those things  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=899.34,904.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are better than... I mean I think that demanding \nparticipation alongside Christians is much better  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=904.14,912.66"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than seeding the public square - to the majority \nand that\u0026#39;s because either a secular public square  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=912.66,918.57"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or a pluralistic public square is better than a \npublic square dominated by one religion. A secular  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=918.57,924.03"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"public square is one where we have separation of \nchurch and state it\u0026#39;s a separation this is dream  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=924.03,927.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"government and religion are largely separate, \ngovernment can\u0026#39;t support majority religion and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=927.84,931.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"denigrate minority religions or interfere with the \nreligions. But, in a pluralistic public square,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=931.98,938.1"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know all sorts of religious people saying \nwhat they think and nonreligious people saying  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=938.1,942.06"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what they think altogether there is a religious \ncacophony if you will that, to me, is not as  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=942.06,947.22"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"good as a secular public square but I think it\u0026#39;s a \nlot better than a public square that is dominated  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=947.22,950.58"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"by one religious faith and that\u0026#39;s the question \nisn\u0026#39;t it? Do we want a religiously pluralistic  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=950.58,956.43"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"public square or a public square dominated by one \nreligion and I think if you believe in pluralism  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=956.43,961.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at all if you think pluralism is a good value \nthen that\u0026#39;s a question that answers itself and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=961.08,966.39"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that\u0026#39;s why I\u0026#39;ve argued that non-Christians: \nAtheist, Satanists, Wiccans and others need  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=966.39,973.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to continue to demand their rightful place \nin American public life. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160#t=973.62,984.0"}]},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/32402/file/101160/transcript/20883/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/020/883/original/transcript_1605496142.vtt20201115-1605-1atb3gq?1605478142","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/020/883/original/transcript_1605496142.vtt20201115-1605-1atb3gq?1605478142"}]}]}]}