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He frames the adventure of the comparative study of religion as a kind of passage from conventional categories of religion, through an analysis of key themes and modes of reading texts and histories, to a reflexive re-reading in which the students rediscover themselves in relation to religion at the conclusion of the textbook, and the course in which Professor Kripal has used it. Our conversation ranges across a number of issues in the comparative study of religion, pedagogies for introducing students to the field, and education-as-journey of discovery in the humanities.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIn conversation with Paul Courtright of Emory University, Jeffrey Kripal, of Rice University, discusses his new textbook, Comparing Religions: Coming to Terms. Professor Kripal\u0026rsquo;s latest book is a departure from the traditional \u0026lsquo;world religions\u0026rsquo; textbook. He frames the adventure of the comparative study of religion as a kind of passage from conventional categories of religion, through an analysis of key themes and modes of reading texts and histories, to a reflexive re-reading in which the students rediscover themselves in relation to religion at the conclusion of the textbook, and the course in which Professor Kripal has used it. Our conversation ranges across a number of issues in the comparative study of religion, pedagogies for introducing students to the field, and education-as-journey of discovery in the humanities.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/121/090/small/open-uri20210812-9033-vanrfg?1628761534","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 3 - An Interview with Jeffrey Kripal, Part 1: Comparing 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of\nreligion at Emory University","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090#t=14.05,17.33"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090/transcript/31803/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and it's my distinct\nhonor and pleasure","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090#t=17.33,21.39"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090/transcript/31803/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to welcome back to Emory\ncollege Jeffrey Kripaul who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090#t=21.39,25.95"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090/transcript/31803/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is the Newton Rayzor\nchair of philosophy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090#t=25.95,28.35"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090/transcript/31803/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and religious thought at\nRice University in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090#t=28.35,31.44"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090/transcript/31803/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He is the author of\nmany books, one of them","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090#t=31.44,33.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090/transcript/31803/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we'll talk about this morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090#t=33.76,36.59"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090/transcript/31803/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"More recently, well starting\nwith the most recent book,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090#t=36.59,40.38"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121090/transcript/31803/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Comparing Religions the\nbook we'll be talking 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myself,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=62.38,66.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and remember I was the\nposter boy for being","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=66.12,68.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the reductive materialist\n[laughter] in the 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communities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=473.94,474.98"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's sort of the\nmoral impulse of comparison.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=474.98,478.95"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's, it's so 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insights","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=484.55,489.25"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the study of religion\nand the study of comparing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=489.25,491.58"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the project of comparing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=491.58,493.45"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For Sacred Matters,\nthank you again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=493.45,496.38"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092#t=496.38,496.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47824/file/121092/transcript/31805/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks 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