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However, genocidal sites related to the destruction of Jews during WWII pose an interesting question: in what sense can “sacred” be understood in relation to sites of genocide and atrocity? He addresses this question and others in an interview with Matthew H. Brittingham, a PhD candidate at Emory and associate editor with Sacred Matters.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJason Francisco\u0026rsquo;s photography spans a variety of subjects and themes, but several of his ongoing projects examine the complexities of memory and loss in Eastern Europe, particularly memory and loss related to the destruction of Eastern European Jewry as part of the Holocaust. Francisco wrestles with loss and memory of\u0026nbsp;Eastern European Jewry in part by photographing \u0026ldquo;sacred sites\u0026rdquo; in the conventional religious sense, such as former synagogues and Jewish cemeteries. However, genocidal sites related to the destruction of Jews during WWII pose an interesting question: in what sense can \u0026ldquo;sacred\u0026rdquo; be understood in relation to sites of genocide and atrocity? He addresses this question and others in an interview with Matthew H. Brittingham, a PhD candidate at Emory and associate editor with\u0026nbsp;Sacred Matters.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/079/367/small/open-uri20200416-24071-ansfp2?1587038070","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 9 - A Conversation with Jason Francisco: Photographing \"Sacred\" Sites?"]},"duration":578.0,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/079/367/small/open-uri20200416-24071-ansfp2?1587038070","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://player.vimeo.com/video/306404184","type":"Video","format":"video/vimeo","duration":578.0,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Caption [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hi my name is Matthew Brittingham,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=12.322,14.442"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am a PhD Candidate at Emory","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=14.442,16.445"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"University in the Graduate Division of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=16.445,18.5"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Religion and I am here with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=18.5,20.128"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jason Francisco. Professor Francisco is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=20.128,22.558"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an Associate Professor of Film and Media","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=22.558,24.905"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Studies at Emory University. He received","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=24.905,27.425"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his BA in Philosophy from Columbia","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=27.425,29.753"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"University and his MFA from Stanford","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=29.753,33.432"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in 1998. He has published numerous essays","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=33.432,37.109"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and curated many art exhibits and has","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=37.109,42.479"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"also exhibited in many other museums","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=42.479,44.745"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"across the country and in eastern Europe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=44.745,47.144"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You have three books two of which for our","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=47.144,49.944"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"purposes are quite important and that is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=49.944,52.46"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Unfinished Memory: Jewish Heritage and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=52.46,54.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Holocaust in Eastern Galicia\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=54.802,57.784"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which was published in 2014. As well as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=57.784,60.233"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Far from Zion: Jews, Diaspora, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=60.233,62.663"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Memory\" which was published in 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=62.663,66.076"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's nice to have you here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=66.076,67.762"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Welcome to our session.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=67.762,69.001"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And for many of our readers and viewers of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=69.001,71.965"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this video we are quite interested in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=71.965,76.325"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"issues related to religion, culture,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=76.325,78.814"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the sacred and much of your photography","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=78.814,80.964"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"deals with sacred sites. Can you describe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=80.964,85.066"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a little bit about some of the filming,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367#t=85.066,87.311"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/18909/file/79367/transcript/9151/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some of the photography that you've 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