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Walton I am the Plummer Professor of Christian Morals and Pusey Minister  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=3.19,10.3"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the Memorial Church at Harvard University. I am trained as a social ephesus, I engage  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=10.3,15.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religion and varying forms of society. And today I had the pleasure of being here at the Center  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=15.88,23.59"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of Law and Religion to discuss the theme of religious freedom, in general, but the way that  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=23.59,30.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it\u0026#39;s played out in competing conceptions of the right and the good in the black freedom struggle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=30.16,40.674"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well I mean one of the major debates of the 20th century, particularly second half of the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=40.674,47.85"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"20th century within the black freedom struggle, was within the National Baptist Convention where  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=47.85,52.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"its president the Reverend Joseph H. Jackson was a towering, persuasive voice and, and he  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=52.56,61.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had very different understandings of the role of religious freedom, the role of civil disobedience  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=61.8,71.16"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and protest and so therefore he often found himself at odds with a person who we often  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=71.16,77.7"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think of, and that\u0026#39;s Martin Luther King Jr. \nAnd so in the letter from a Birmingham jail that was  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=77.7,83.55"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"published in 1963, quite often we understand it as a response to the Good Friday letter that  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=83.55,90.21"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came from eight white clergymen and rabbi from the local Birmingham where they were saying that his  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=90.21,97.32"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"protests were untimely, that simple disobedience was unwise, and the like. And so King responded to  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=97.32,104.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"them but really, King was also responding to the critiques that were coming out of his  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=104.28,109.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"own previous denomination, the National Baptist Convention, under the leadership of J. H. Jackson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=109.68,119.086"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reverend J. H. Jackson was a patriot, he was a patriot. He loved this nation and he believed in  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=119.086,126.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the founding documents. Constitutional protections, and that all forms of protest should adhere to  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=126.6,136.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the internal systems that are already built in. So beyond voting, right, there is amendment, there\u0026#39;s ratification,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=136.02,143.587"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there are varying strategies. But civil \ndisobedience, for Jackson, lays beyond the pale because it could end up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=143.587,152.139"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"devolving, or it always devolves into lawlessness and disorder. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=152.139,158.158"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was a man of law and order. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=158.158,161.092"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Really one of the reasons that Jackson kind of conceptualized  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=161.092,165.93"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of American society in this light was because what he saw as the core principles of his faith  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=165.93,172.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and that was freedom. And freedom of conscience. Jesus\u0026#39; teachings about the kingdom of God and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=172.14,178.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"loving your neighbor as yourself, right, unique to that is this kind of love of neighbor, love of self,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=178.68,184.68"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and this freedom of individual conscience. And he thought that America\u0026#39;s project of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=184.68,190.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"democracy, and its founding documents, was the best representation that we have in civic life  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=190.8,196.59"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of that. And so therefore there was consistency for Jackson. Between the First Amendment, freedom  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=196.59,204.03"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of religion and religious protections, and the freedom that is found in the life of Christ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=204.03,214.415"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean Martin Luther King and J. H. Jackson had similar backgrounds. Both kind of were  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=214.415,219.46"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"products of the afro-evangelical tradition, afro-Protestant evangelical tradition. 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H. Jackson just had a different perspective  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=243.13,248.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than King. And so his faith in the Democratic project, his religious conservatism, was much more  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=248.56,256.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"representative of the Baptist tradition. So if anything, King was probably more of a departure  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=256.12,262.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from the faith of his father, if you will. And why, because even though King was, for the most  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=262.84,271.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"part a child of privilege, King decided that he intentionally wanted to align with those who were on  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=271.0,280.21"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the underside of not just racial oppression, but also economic exploitation and oppression.   ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=280.21,288.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think that is what gave King and Jackson, in part, their diverging paths. Reinhold Niebuhr says in  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=288.4,296.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Moral Man and Immoral Society, that special privileges make liars out of all men. 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As our society has changed, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=370.9,378.145"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as we\u0026#39;ve grown in beautiful diversity and pluralism, there are certain assumptions and conceptions of the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=378.145,384.58"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"social contract that we can no longer take for granted. And so when we\u0026#39;re talking about  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=384.58,391.03"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"freedom of conscience, in the case of King and Jackson, it was freedom from racial oppression,  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=391.03,398.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it was freedom from economic discrimination and exploitation. It was this sort of negative freedom.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=398.83,406.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now what we see - and I\u0026#39;m scared - the language of freedom of self-conscience and individual  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=406.24,413.53"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conscience is often being deployed to further concretize majority perspectives, and allowing  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=413.53,422.74"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"individuals to opt out of the social contracts that actually protect the most vulnerable among us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=422.74,434.134"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when I think about the lens of love, I\u0026#39;m thinking about seeing how God sees. Not that  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=434.134,441.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we have the mind and not that we have the conception of God, not at all. But when we  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=441.56,447.02"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"look at the Bible, the kind of overarching arc from Genesis to Revelation, there\u0026#39;s a prevailing  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=447.02,453.41"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"theme and that is that God sides with those on the underside of power, on the underside of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=453.41,459.74"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"privilege. And so it\u0026#39;s like when Hagar left the house and was largely driven away by Abraham and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=459.74,468.11"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sarah and then God shows up. She calls God Elroy, the God who sees. God saw her in her misery, in  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=468.11,477.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"our desperation. And so who do we look for when we\u0026#39;re reading Biblical accounts? The more in our  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=477.92,484.31"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"interpretive process that we can try to see like God sees and look for the most vulnerable and the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=484.31,489.29"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"victimized in Biblical accounts, the more that I believe we can start to develop the sort of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=489.29,494.75"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"empathy and ethical approach to actually begin to live that out in the world that we inhabit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=494.75,506.206"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well one of the things that I\u0026#39;m trying to do with the lens of love is to offer these sorts  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=506.206,510.12"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of reading strategies that we read the Bible in a particular way. That we actually even embrace  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=510.12,517.41"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a certain narrative ethics, right. That we\u0026#39;re actually able to live out the stories that we  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=517.41,522.66"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"inhabit in the Bible so that we\u0026#39;re able to live them out with the people who we walk beside each  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=522.66,526.89"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and every day. And so if we are able to develop more compassion and, and we\u0026#39;re able to think ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=526.89,533.94"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"self-critically about our own privileges and our own blessings and how we might use the resources that  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=533.94,539.82"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"God has given us to be a blessing to others, then I think we\u0026#39;re seeing the world through  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=539.82,546.03"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a lens of love. And so even when we think about the conversation here this week about freedom of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=546.03,552.24"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religion, a religious freedom clause, part of my fear as I said before, is that if if it\u0026#39;s simply  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=552.24,561.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an appeal to personal conscience that does not have to be defended, that does not have  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=561.87,566.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be debated through democratic deliberation, then it\u0026#39;s easy for us to just devolve into a  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=566.97,577.11"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sort of majority rule in a tyrannical way over an oppressed minority. And so therefore I can  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=577.11,584.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"say well because of my Christian commitments, I don\u0026#39;t have to serve these type of people. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=584.37,590.1"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because my Christian commitments, I don\u0026#39;t have to allow these people of this religious perspective  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=590.1,597.69"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be a foster family, right. And so then all of a sudden our religious conscience and our  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=597.69,603.21"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"religious faith has become a weapon against the most vulnerable. And I just believe, call me crazy, that  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=603.21,610.83"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"God has called us to use our privilege and our power, our tools to help serve the most vulnerable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=610.83,621.601"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Communities of accountability are so important. I think that\u0026#39;s just strength of communities of  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=621.601,626.89"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"faith. As well as intellectual communities. I love being a part of, I love teaching seminars, I love  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=626.89,633.7"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"being part of seminars as I\u0026#39;ve been a part of this week. Why? Because we all put our ideas on  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=633.7,638.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the table. And then we\u0026#39;re able to hold one another accountable to our ideals, to our professions, to  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=638.8,644.8"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"our - and sometimes we change, sometimes we take our relative truths and we\u0026#39;re able to move to greater  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=644.8,653.08"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"truths. That\u0026#39;s the academic enterprise. It\u0026#39;s not that different in, within communities of faith. I think  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=653.08,661.21"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that we all, we come together, we are, we engage in process of learning and growing and loving  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=661.21,668.35"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"together, where we\u0026#39;re able to hold one another to account, right, for our commitments. I feel all the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=668.35,676.66"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time, for instance I\u0026#39;m the Plummer Professor of Christian Morals, I\u0026#39;m the Pusey Minister. I\u0026#39;m always  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=676.66,681.01"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"trying to lead with my values. So on campus, what groups on campus - now at least, right - seem  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=681.01,689.77"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be the most vulnerable, the most victimized. Those are the groups that we privilege. I\u0026#39;m  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=689.77,694.69"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"always trying to lead like that. Why? so that if anyone ever sees me operating outside of that  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=694.69,702.46"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"framework, they feel comfortable calling me to account and holding me to the standard that I  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=702.46,708.37"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have professed for myself. That\u0026#39;s the beauty of communities of faith, when we\u0026#39;re able to  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=708.37,714.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"speak truth to one another in love because we make each other better. Iron sharpens iron.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=714.28,727.54"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It\u0026#39;s funny when I wrote,  Watch This in 2009 and I was trying to talk about or discuss the ways that  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=727.54,735.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these forms of religious broadcasting and these sorts of evangelical preachers that we\u0026#39;ve tended  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=735.97,741.73"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to think about as being margins on the margins, marginal characters,  I was trying to say no, they\u0026#39;re  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=741.73,747.49"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"actually mainstream characters. And part of the reason they\u0026#39;re mainstream characters is because  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=747.49,752.23"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they actually profess a particular ethic that really resonates with a cross-section of American ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=752.23,761.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"society. And that ethic is a one of large from rags to riches, right. That God helps those who help  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=761.62,768.94"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"themselves and that we can measure success and we can measure worth and human value, right, by the  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=768.94,778.9"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"accumulation of things. And so it\u0026#39;s this neoliberal framework, right, that, that has - we knew them, we  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=778.9,786.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know the way that it impacted corporate American culture. I was saying that we\u0026#39;re seeing the same  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=786.76,792.04"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"things in the churches. The prosperity gospel is just a spiritual variant of these kind of larger  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=792.04,797.74"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"political and economic realities. And examples that I gave as kind of high priests of American culture.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=797.74,805.63"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In 2009, two examples that I provided were Jack Welch and Donald Trump. Lo and behold, I\u0026#39;d had  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=805.63,815.11"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"no idea that I was being prophetic at the time. But...and what have we seen? That now he is largely  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=815.11,823.93"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"televangelist in chief, right. Because not only does he understand the themes that resonate with  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=823.93,830.89"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a cross-section of society, he also understands that an image is worth a thousand words. And  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=830.89,836.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like televangelists, he\u0026#39;s talking loud even when he\u0026#39;s not saying anything at all. And, and so in  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=836.62,844.54"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that regard I actually feel pretty good about how Watch This has lasted over the last decade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=844.54,854.62"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is so vital to our future as a nation. These questions of religious freedom, these questions  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=854.62,862.81"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of what we owe one another, how we\u0026#39;re going to live together in increasingly pluralistic society. For  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=862.81,870.88"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some people, these make great test cases. For some people, it\u0026#39;s an academic exercise. How can I one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=870.88,879.61"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up an argument? Right. \nThat\u0026#39;s not the case for me. For me, this is a matter of life and death. When we  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=879.61,888.28"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"understand that we live in the world where LGBTQ identifying or questioning teens are three times  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=888.28,895.39"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more likely to commit suicide than their peers. When we understand the impact of Islamophobia  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=895.39,904.03"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and anti-Semitism and the unbridled violence and terror that we see from Pittsburgh to New Zealand  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=904.03,913.51"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to Wisconsin. This is not an academic exercise, and so we have to think seriously and we have  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=913.51,921.13"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to think soberly about how we are going to join together to create not just a sense of the common  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=921.13,929.74"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"good, but even move further than that toward what Howard Thurman and Martin Luther King Jr. called  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294#t=929.74,935.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1098/collection_resources/31191/file/99294/transcript/20054/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a beloved community. More enriched with a sense of goodness and social obligation. 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