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So, it is one of their, or,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=57.37,65.306"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cephalopods, basically, they, they,\nsome species live in the tide pools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=65.306,70.42"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think it's, for me, the interest was\nthis idea of a morphing 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huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=121.48,122.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there's this constant undulating\nchange happening in the tide pool. So . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=122.59,131.488"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say that my book is actually a\nplea for scientists and humanities scholars,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=131.71,140.85"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to think about this idea of change.\nAnd in fact, you know, moving to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=141.136,147.716"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a process ontology, where we\nare touched by, we are replaced,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=147.716,155.316"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We are moved. We are pushed.\nWe are pulled. In our constant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=156.063,162.308"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"kind of growth, and being, so,\ninstead of a being, of a becoming,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=162.308,168.65"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the book, therefore,\nis really, the subtitle is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=168.65,171.95"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"“Biology, Becomings, and Life in the Lab.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=171.95,174.259"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is about exploring this\nidea of process ontology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=174.794,178.981"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I want to thank you, Tuomas,\nfor taking the time and for, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=179.898,183.778"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reaching out in this stolonic way\nto make this connection with me","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=183.778,188.088"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and with the book. So,\nyou know, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=188.088,191.415"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And actually, yeah, everybody should\nread this book. It's an amazing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=192.726,195.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's an amazing journey through\nmolecular biology and feminism","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=195.97,202.374"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and philosophy and\ntheoretical thinking, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=202.374,205.921"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much, Tuomas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=206.396,207.664"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233#t=208.742,209.426"}]},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/1169/collection_resources/31137/file/99233/transcript/20238/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/020/238/original/7_Becoming_instead_of_Being.en.vtt?1603387355","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/020/238/original/7_Becoming_instead_of_Being.en.vtt?1603387355"}]}]}]}