{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/iiif/251fj29w42/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["An Interview with Frans de Waal"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eFrans de Waal is an eminent primatologist renowned not only for his many publications in scientific journals, but also for several widely read books, including Chimpanzee Politics and, more recently, The Bonobo and the Atheist. In the latter work, Professor de Waal explores how non-human primates, even in the absence of anything we might call “religion,” have a profound capacity for empathy and social cohesion in a way that may serve as a basis for morality in the case of humans. Speaking with John Dunne of Emory University, Professor de Waal reflects on these and other issues, such as the notion of “culture” among primates, in a way that raises intriguing questions about our notion of “religion.”\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eFrans de Waal is an eminent primatologist renowned not only for his many publications in scientific journals, but also for several widely read books, including Chimpanzee Politics and, more recently, The Bonobo and the Atheist. In the latter work, Professor de Waal explores how non-human primates, even in the absence of anything we might call \u0026ldquo;religion,\u0026rdquo; have a profound capacity for empathy and social cohesion in a way that may serve as a basis for morality in the case of humans. Speaking with John Dunne of Emory University, Professor de Waal reflects on these and other issues, such as the notion of \u0026ldquo;culture\u0026rdquo; among primates, in a way that raises intriguing questions about our notion of \u0026ldquo;religion.\u0026rdquo;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Emory University"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/040/original/eu-logo-shield.png?1608761524","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/121/084/small/open-uri20210812-9027-1szqhwt?1628756591","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media 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Religion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=12.02,14.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I'm here for\nanother conversation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=14.84,16.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in a series for Sacred Matters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=16.84,19.27"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Today we're welcoming Dr. Frans\nDe Waal from Emory University,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=19.27,23.09"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a very well-known\nprimatologist and biologist","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=23.09,26.06"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who came to United\nStates I believe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=26.06,27.87"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in 1981 after having\ndone his doctoral work","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=27.87,31.46"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the Netherlands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=31.46,32.79"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His work, I would say,\nis focused primarily","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=32.79,36.56"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on what you might call the\nsocial intelligence, issues","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=36.56,39.46"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around empathy, altruism\nand so on in primates","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=39.46,43.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and it not only appears in many\ndozens of academic articles","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=43.14,46.63"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but also in some very\nwidely published books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=46.63,50.52"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of my favorites, of course,\nis The Bonobo and the Atheist,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=50.52,53.6"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one we'll be discussing\ntoday, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=53.6,55.51"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the latest book\npublished in 2013.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=55.51,57.2"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also, The Age of\nEmpathy, which I believe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=57.2,60.23"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"came out in 2009.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=60.23,61.81"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I could go on at length\nabout Dr. De Waal's resume,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=61.81,66.17"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's quite impressive,\nbut our viewers","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=66.17,69.15"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"can easily click\non the links that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=69.15,71.03"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are available with this video to\nlearn more about Dr. De 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details,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=74.8,77.7"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"let's now actually talk about\nsome of that work, if we might.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=77.7,80.48"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, one of the\nquestions for me, 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it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=87.13,89.14"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other words, why\nwould a professor","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=89.14,90.9"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of religion, and\nmany of our viewers","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=90.9,92.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of course are\ninterested in religion,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=92.4,94.41"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"why would why would someone\ninterested in religion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=94.41,97.4"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"want to learn something\nabout primates?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=97.4,100.18"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because you are a primate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=100.18,102.97"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Good point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=102.97,103.84"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the behavior\nthat you have and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=103.84,107.35"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the psychological\ntendencies that you have,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=107.35,109.23"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"including your interest\nin religion I assume,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=109.23,112.9"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it has a very long\nevolutionary history,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=112.9,115.76"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much of which you share\nwith other primates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=115.76,118.19"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, many things that we\nhumans do and think and believe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=118.19,124.3"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are uniquely human,\nprobably only partially so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=124.3,129.169"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That doesn't mean there's\nnot a unique aspect to it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084#t=129.169,131.92"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121084/transcript/31795/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but you mentioned\nempathy for 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removed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086#t=682.64,686.3"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086/transcript/31797/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Discarded just like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086#t=686.3,689.49"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086/transcript/31797/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really appreciate today\nyour thoughts on religion,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086#t=689.49,694.23"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086/transcript/31797/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on science, what we\ncan learn from primates","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086#t=694.23,696.61"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086/transcript/31797/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about all those things,\nthe supernatural and so 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us","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086#t=702.88,704.75"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086/transcript/31797/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for this conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086#t=704.75,705.81"},{"id":"https://aviary.ecds.emory.edu/collections/924/collection_resources/47822/file/121086/transcript/31797/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And please stop by the website\nnext time for another 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